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[hasssanali8998]

"taking revenge for 1971"

we did that with our support for the mujahideen

 

[puttputt]

I don't think so, but it's a good idea to whoever suggested it, I second that. I think India received around $130 billion in remittances last year. But anyway...

I think it was either you or the PPP wadera guy (who insisted that ethnic quotas were good).

we did that with our support for the mujahideen

There were some generals and other officers of that mindset, for sure, but it wasn't the policy at the top. The sad part is that the top doesn't care.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Babu, did you forget about the US Mutual Defence Agreement (MDA) signed back in 1952? We literally built our military using that money on the implicit and explicit condition of standing against the Soviets.

Duh, and what happened to that one sided agreement by 1966 after the US refused to support Pakistan in the 1965 War?

Did you see China abandon Pakistan earlier in the year?

Last I checked Pakistan had imported around 82% of its military hardware from China. Could that also mean China has rebuilt Pakistan's military, especially the Pakistani Air Force after the sanctions of the 1990s?

... So, this bit about "taking revenge for 1971" is a lie to cover the beghairati of you babus because you literally took money from them 2 years after the war (to build an albatross even though, prior to that, we had an industrial base capable of steel output that you babus gutted with nationalization).

Right, so Pakistan took money from the Soviets while fighting a 10-year long war with them until the Soviets totally vacated Afghanistan.

Soviets must've been daft.

Anyways, let's forget China investing $62 billion in CPEC at a time when the Americans were busy trying their best to isolate Pakistan internationally, arming India against us, threatening Balochistan, doing Salala but we must remember the good ol' Americans of the 1950s. ... In fact we must remember their great favour upon us till Qiyamat.

All hail puttputt.

 

[Toxic]

I think it was either you or the PPP wadera guy (who insisted that ethnic quotas were good).


There were some generals and other officers of that mindset, for sure, but it wasn't the policy at the top. The sad part is that the top doesn't care.

In the mind of an Establishment tout all is well, Rivers of milk and honey flow in N̶o̶r̶t̶h̶ K̶o̶r̶e̶a̶ Pakistan.

these are guys who think Cherry Blossoms securing a billion dollar IMF loan is the accomplishment of the decade

you are talking to a guy who Unironicly thinks the economy is doing well because PSX reached a gazillion points, if you tell him that the unelected touts are looting the country he will tell you that it's actually good for the country.

 

[gamaji]

In the mind of an Establishment tout all is well, Rivers of milk and honey flow in N̶o̶r̶t̶h̶ K̶o̶r̶e̶a̶ Pakistan.

these are guys who think Cherry Blossoms securing a billion dollar IMF loan is the accomplishment of the decade

you are talking to a guy who Unironicly thinks the economy is doing well because PSX reached a gazillion points, if you tell him that the unelected touts are looting the country he will tell you that it's actually good for the country.

Yes, securing a billion dollar IMF loan is not an accomplishment. That shows Pakistan is at the mercy of international lenders. It was, in fact, a matter of shame that Pakistan had to go begging the IMF for a bail out package under PTI rule. Even worse was turning rogue later on the agreement signed with IMF in a deliberate attempt to set an explosive mine in Pakistan's economy for the next government.

Once a country falls or fails to the point where it has to beg IMF and sign for a bail out package, that international lender ensures, through the terms and conditions, the enforcement of certain structural economic changes for the borrowing country. While those economic reforms are aimed to enable the county to return the loan, these are normally beneficial in the long run to the country's economy too. securing the next trunch of the IMF loan signifies the fact that Pakistan's economy is heading in right direction.

Rather than criticising the government for the sake of it, one should recognize the positive trends in Pakistan's economy too. One needs to be fair.

 

[puttputt]

Duh, and what happened to that one sided agreement by 1966 after the US refused to support Pakistan in the 1965 War?

US MDA = aid to fight the Soviets, not fight India.

1965 = Pakistan uses anti-Soviet aid to fight India.

Do you see why the US "refused to support" Pakistan?

Right, so Pakistan took money from the Soviets while fighting a 10-year long war with them until the Soviets totally vacated Afghanistan.

Lol. You said "revenge for 1971" and I am showing you that we took Soviet money in 1973 to build PSM. Does revenge for you work by taking money from your abuser 2 years after they hit you? Is that how it works in Beghairat Babu world?

Oh, and regarding the 1980s, you conveniently forgot about the 40 F-16s or the billions America cycled into Pakistan as military and economic aid? That didn't have an impact on resisting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan?

So, here are the facts.

1973 = 2 years after 1971, Pakistan takes in Soviet money to build Pakistan Steel Mills.

1980s =a decade or so after 1971, Pakistan takes in American money to deal with the Soviets.

...and somehow, you brilliant playwrights think there was a policy-level 'revenge' story against the Soviets in all this?

Anyways, let's forget China investing $62 billion in CPEC at a time when the Americans were busy trying their best to isolate Pakistan internationally, arming India against us, threatening Balochistan, doing Salala but we must remember the good ol' Americans of the 1950s. ... In fact we must remember their great favour upon us till Qiyamat.

Lol, is this from the Babu handbook? "When in corner, Babu must go into CPEC MODE." Alright, CPEC MODE Babu, let me see you answer these questions re: the CPEC IPPs.

1. Why did your leaders agree to pay Sinosure Insurance premiums when it already had sovereign guarantees from us? You typically need to finance either a sovereign guarantee (where we promise to pay) or political risk insurance (where the insurer promises to pay). Why is Pakistan paying both out of its scarce fiscal budget?

2. Why was there a 27% dollar-indexed ROE when the global benchmarks at the time significantly lower? Most utilities projects have a ROE of around 10-12%, but CPEC had us going at 27%? Why?

3. Why are Pakistani consumers stuck paying for a 30-year asset in just 10 years? Why did you agree to front-load the costs of an asset that would last 30 years?

4. Why did we sign massive coal power deals when the solar and wind costs were plummeting globally?

5. Also, why did you Babus squash the legitimate questions that NEPRA and the MoF had asked when it was becoming clear that CPEC was becoming a costly albatross on our exchequer?

Your $62 billion 'gift' from China is costing the Pakistani public exchequer $6.8 billion to $7.5 billion a year in hard currency outflows to finance the IPPs. That's around $68-75 billion in outflows once we hit 10 years on these projects.

So, get the fk out of here with your CPEC. You fkn Babus have literally cost our country the equivalent (and still growing) of your CPEC. Seriously, get the fk out of here.

 

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[Samurai]

I can guarantee that your wish will never come true.

China's arsenal is developing too rapidly.

Soon, you won't be so fond of the J-10CE and J-35 anymore. In just a few years, even more "new toys" will appear on your wish list.

Its funny that out of no where @Michael comes and delivers an RKO
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[Dreamer]

Additionally, extend the service retirement date by 3-4 years?

Do we see this extension mania because people are being retired quite young? That they don't have the skills to do anything else on their own? We see a lot of them try and become heads of organisations they have no business being head of, eg SUPARCO ?

aswell as a heavy burden on the exchequer due to lavish "MuraAat" (مراعات) as part of retirement benefits for an army of generals (pardon the pun) being retired. Best option would be to remove age and put period of service as the cirterea for retirement. Max should be 40 years for those who reach top rank. Only exception being a war time emergency extension.

Practice of giving land or plots must also end. The rate we hand out plots, we might have to start borrowing land from IMF also!

 

[Dreamer]

So till 18th March 2028

So you're expected to believe.

 

[AeronautIR]

So you're expected to believe.

So it can go beyond that?

 

[hasssanali8998]

So it can go beyond that?

as long as meri jind meri jaan wants

 

[AeronautIR]

as long as meri jind meri jaan wants

I guess we will know in 2028.

 

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