PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[hnn]

I am sorry if you can’t understand simple English. I gave you a great example of Navy Seal training. Did you not understand that?

The BUDS Drownproofing is not a training exercise, it's a test exercise. The primary goal of Drownproofing is to assess the ability of the recruit to stay calm in adverse and overwhelming conditions.

So if you want to use that analogy, then in its correct analogous application it implies that IK failed the test - the "hands and legs tied" situation is an unfortunate reality of Pakistan political environment and wasn't just unique to his Premiership but was the same for all prior PMs.

 

[Watandar]

The BUDS Drownproofing is not a training exercise, it's a test exercise. The primary goal of Drownproofing is to assess the ability of the recruit to stay calm in adverse and overwhelming conditions.

So if you want to use that analogy, then in its correct analogous application it implies that IK failed the test - the "hands and legs tied" situation is an unfortunate reality of Pakistan political environment and wasn't just unique to his Premiership but was the same for all prior PMs.

If all Pakistani PM's have had their hands and feet tied, then its illogical to expect them to perform. Those who tied the hands and feet of Imran Khan and set him up to fail are the ones who are deserving of blame, no ?

 

[hasssanali8998]

Those who tied the hands and feet of Imran Khan and set him up to fail are the ones who are deserving of blame, no ?

so now he is a stupid man who cant figure out people are tying his hands

 

[Meengla]

That is very typical. Those who claim to want shahadat actually prefer it for others, not themselves, when actual push comes to actual shove.

I have big issues with the 'leadership' of the so called 'largest political party of Pakistan' using 'Shahadat' as a route to achieve their political objectives.
Of course they are free to choose their own paths but in a country, especially a province like K-P where suicide bombing is all too common, such sloganeering not only shows a primitively brutal mindset but also dangerous for Pakistan's security.

 

[hnn]

If all Pakistani PM's have had their hands and feet tied, then its illogical to expect them to perform. Those who tied the hands and feet of Imran Khan and set him up to fail are the ones who are deserving of blame, no ?

Deserving of blame? Yes.

But PTI only became anti-establishemnt once out of power, same as all other political parties before it.

So we both agree on where the problem lies but disagree on who the solution is.

 

[Meengla]

But PTI only became anti-establishemnt once out of power, same as all other political parties before it.

PTI and its glorious Messiah Khan will again lick the Establishment's feet if given the chance. You can count on that.

 

[hnn]

You’re over-intellectualising a very simple truth.
Pakistan’s crisis is not because systems didn’t consolidate it’s because one unaccountable institution never allowed any system to consolidate in the first place.

PTI proved that when you actually let people vote freely even without an election symbol, without a party, with the leader in jail the public still delivers a two-third majority.
That alone destroys your entire bell-curve theory of fear based control.
People chose despite fear, despite violence, despite censorship.
That's not cultism that's national consensus.

You say classes must align for the military to blink…
Well, they already did

middle class voted PTI

poor voted PTI

Pashtuns voted PTI
And even then, the system STILL couldn’t manage them on 17 seats, which shows who is actually in fight-or-flight mode and it’s not the public.


Pakistan’s out of control parasympathetic system isn’t a natural condition it’s manufactured by those who panic every time civilians stand up.
Imran Khan broke that fear for the first time since 1971, and that is why the entire machine collapsed on top of him.

So no this isn’t a philosophical crisis.
This is a simple story:
A nation finally chose, and the gatekeepers refused to accept the choice.

Just want to point out here that if A is "over-intellectualizing" then B is "over-simplifying"

 

[Cash gk]

as soon as one reads this one can gauge the ability of a poster to look at issues.

Only myopic fanatics see simple truths.

If recognising a pattern that’s been repeating for decades makes someone myopic, then maybe the problem isn’t with the person pointing it out, but with those who keep over thinking what is already obvious to everyone else. Seeing something clearly doesn’t make it simple it just means I’m not hiding behind unnecessary intellectual gymnastics.

And let’s be honest if I reply any more directly, you’ll either try to block me by stretching your moderator powers or run to another mod for help, just like you usually do when you can’t handle a straightforward argument. I’m not giving you that excuse, so I’ll keep my response respectful and within the rules even if you don’t.

 

[hnn]

PTI and its glorious Messiah Khan will again lick the Establishment's feet if given the chance. You can count on that.

Yes, perhaps, but I see it as more of tragedy of the collective than the individual.

 

[Cash gk]

Just want to point out here that if A is "over-intellectualizing" then B is "over-simplifying"

Fair point. I appreciate an honest and balanced view.

 

[VCheng]

I have big issues with the 'leadership' of the so called 'largest political party of Pakistan' using 'Shahadat' as a route to achieve their political objectives.
Of course they are free to choose their own paths but in a country, especially a province like K-P where suicide bombing is all too common, such sloganeering not only shows a primitively brutal mindset but also dangerous for Pakistan's security.

They will fail with that strategy, please rest assured.

All this talk of fragmentation of Pakistan is hogwash. East Pakistan was psychologically more like a colony. This is the homeland itself, and there is nowhere else to go to, hence everything, and I mean everything, will be done to keep it. Whatever it takes.

Those who are planning or hoping for anything else will be disappointed.

 

[Cash gk]

PTI and its glorious Messiah Khan will again lick the Establishment's feet if given the chance. You can count on that.

So according to you, the entire country is worshipping a messiah, right?
Because he won the 2 third majority without a party, without a symbol, and while sitting in jail. To beating him and destroying him, Pakistan's mighty army came to destroy him with their full force along with dynastic corrupt parties those who used to throw each other p*** pictures from helicopters to just stop him. That wasn’t one man that was the collective will of the people.

So when you call him “Messiah Khan” sarcastically, you’re not insulting him you’re insulting the 90% of Pakistanis who voted for him under the worst conditions in our electoral history.

Are you suggesting that the entire nation is misguided, and only you have the intellectual clarity?
That sounds less like analysis and more like an inflated sense of self-importance.

 

[VCheng]

So when you call him “Messiah Khan” sarcastically, you’re not insulting him you’re insulting the 90% of Pakistanis who voted for him under the worst conditions in our electoral history.

Are you suggesting that the entire nation is misguided, and only you have the intellectual clarity?

And yet that same nation is sitting at home and not heeding to all the desperate calls for mass protest to help IK out of jail.

Wah jee wah, what 90% support!

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Always look what Indians are thinking and do opposite of that. They love Imrandu

 

[Cash gk]

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Always look what Indians are thinking and do opposite of that. They love Imrandu

Is that your best ?