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[VCheng]

Sorry to say but its the mentality of the nation that needs to be changed.

And just who is going to do that except the nation itself? Others cannot do this for them.

This is the main reason why I believe that the nation has made Pakistan just the way it actually wants it to be, and not what what is claimed so nobly.

Like it or not, this is the sad reality of Pakistan: It is exactly what its people have worked hard to make it.

 

[PakAl]

Might not be 100% correct but we can see the difference. Even Madrassas/Islamic schools in these countries are like modern schools, they teach high level education, PE, Islamic sciences, Maths, English, Engineering, discipline etc. The Turks in their maddrassas teach adab till 7 years of age and then teach different subjects. All this then turns everyone in to an effective society. As long as foreign invasions or civil war not happen these nations will continue to progress InshaAllah. I did not mention Iran because they're under extreme UN sanctions or else Iran would be like GCC level.

By the way degrees is or money is not everything, the nation needs the right type of education, morals, values, ethics, Adab is what destroys bribery and corruption. A degree holder will do higher level of corruption than an uneducated person.

 

[Meengla]

They will fail with that strategy, please rest assured.

The recent sale of upgrading Pakistan's F-16 fleet is a clear indication--something I was eagerly awaiting--that President Trump is not going to come to the aid of Mr. Messiah Khan any time soon. You know, Imran's sons called America their 'main hope' not so long ago.
So even their 'main hope' is now gone.

 

[VCheng]

The recent sale of upgrading Pakistan's F-16 fleet is a clear indication--something I was eagerly awaiting--that President Trump is not going to come to the aid of Mr. Messiah Khan any time soon. You know, Imran's sons called America their 'main hope' not so long ago.
So even their 'main hope' is now gone.

Nothing ever remains the same forever in international geopolitics. I must suggest exercising caution in making any assumptions here.

 

[Meengla]

Nothing ever remains the same forever in international geopolitics. I must suggest exercising caution in making any assumptions here.

I didn't think Americans would expend their diplomatic capital for Imran Khan anyway. I saw no reason during President Trump's first term which showed some particular love for Imran, though he did give Imran an audience in the White House, much to the delight of Imran: 'I feel like I have won the World Cup!'.

 

[ziaulislam]

This is the biggest risk to me - It may not be PTI but could rebrand or have mass movement to PTM.

IK needs to be pacified with his madness and let out. Who knows, someone in the mediocrity of Pindi is taking notes on IK being an old man. Let him be the third force in the farce musical chairs of PML, PPP and so on - he is old and eventually his Big Old D energy desire for the chalice will lead him to focus on that again.

But that wont happen since too many people are worried in center

So its almost certian he will die in prison or killed and its almost certian that this will lead to rebranded separatist PTI in kpk.
Simply because the people in power don't care about Pakistan more about their own pockets

Mujeeb was in prison when 1971 played out, he wasnt in control. The story would have been arguably different if he had been free, thats per opinion of different writers including his close friends(like the founder of urdu digest in his book on East Pakistan)

When IK is removed PTI will not be the PTI we know today

 

[ziaulislam]

who will take the reins then , if ik is gone

Separatist people from kpk ...pti will fracture into separatist from kpk and traditional leaders from punjab


Separatist will argue for separate country or combining with Afghanistan...this may then play out like 1971 especially if uncle same decides its time

 

[ziaulislam]

The recent sale of upgrading Pakistan's F-16 fleet is a clear indication--something I was eagerly awaiting--that President Trump is not going to come to the aid of Mr. Messiah Khan any time soon. You know, Imran's sons called America their 'main hope' not so long ago.
So even their 'main hope' is now gone.

That was flase news
Trump has no business with IK

 

[gamaji]

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[VCheng]

I didn't think Americans would expend their diplomatic capital for Imran Khan anyway. I saw no reason during President Trump's first term which showed some particular love for Imran, though he did give Imran an audience in the White House, much to the delight of Imran: 'I feel like I have won the World Cup!'.

But USA would spend such capital if they ever wanted to make the military toe its line over something, by supporting currently incarcerated political wannabe figures, for example, to exert additional pressure, if it serves their national interests.

In international geopolitics, things can change at any time.

 

[gamaji]

Nothing ever remains the same forever in international geopolitics. I must suggest exercising caution in making any assumptions here.

Yes, in general that is true. International geopolitics keeps changing all the time. But please note that the underlying basic principles always remain same. Specifically, each state pursues its own national interests.

Now the question is if the US administration would start supporting IK? If the prevailing global geopolitics is any indication, the answer to this question is in negative.

Why would the US try to destabilize a government that it has supported so clearly and loudly? Why would it support an opportunist idiot who tried to stoke massive anti-America campaign in Pakistan for gaining some political mileage? Have Americans forgotten all those mischievous slogans of 'ham koi ghulam hain?', 'haqeeqi azaadi', and 'regime change' that PTI massively spread across the world?

Americans are working with Pakistan, probably for the first time, in a relationship that is based on trade rather than aid. Americans respect originality rather than cheating, lies, and deception. President Trump is an admirer of Field Marshal Asim Munir and has invited him to the White House multiple times.

Compare that with IK when he, as the PM, was dying for merely receiving a phone call from the White House that, BTW, he never got. The brainless coward Bajwa and evil genius Faiz Hameed could only fool Pakistanis. The outside world knew the real worth of this worthless gang of crooks.

 

[HAIDER]

Yes, in general that is true. International geopolitics keeps changing all the time. But please note that the underlying basic principles always remain same. Specifically, each state pursues its own national interests.

Now the question is if the US administration would start supporting IK? If the prevailing global geopolitics is any indication, the answer to this question is in negative.

Why would the US try to destabilize a government that it has supported so clearly and loudly? Why would it support an opportunist idiot who tried to stoke massive anti-America campaign in Pakistan for gaining some political mileage? Have Americans forgotten all those mischievous slogans of 'ham koi ghulam hain?', 'haqeeqi azaadi', and 'regime change' that PTI massively spread across the world?

Americans are working with Pakistan, probably for the first time, in a relationship that is based on trade rather than aid. Americans respect originality rather than cheating, lies, and deception. President Trump is an admirer of Field Marshal Asim Munir and has invited him to the White House multiple times.

Compare that with IK when he, as the PM, was dying for merely receiving a phone call from the White House that, BTW, he never got. The brainless coward Bajwa and evil genius Faiz Hameed could only fool Pakistanis. The outside world knew the real worth of this worthless gang of crooks.

Not worry about Imran Khan, US don t care about Pakistan political situation. US has bigger role for Pak army in Middle East. Plus, changing pro Indian policy, after Russia-Indian oil deal. Soon, US soon imposing sanction on Indian rice import.

 

[Forsvaret]

The army mainly looks after the borders, internal and national security, international relations, if all these are given to the civilians we will be in worse situation.

Internal security is army’s job? International relations is army’s job? Why is army even looking after these select areas while leaving rest of the country in the hands of incompetent bloody civilians? Why not just take over everything and run it as efficiently as they run those select areas above?

 

[Oscar]

Internal security is army’s job? International relations is army’s job? Why is army even looking after these select areas while leaving rest of the country in the hands of incompetent bloody civilians? Why not just take over everything and run it as efficiently as they run those select areas above?

Where do you think it is going?
The problem here is - let’s say that was the goal. Army Inc runs everything -

Even if this was somehow implemented without eventual resistance based on rising unemployment or otherwise - unless they maintain it in a “system” condition for a few decades it wont last and “reset” again and we’re back to square one.

The biggest issue isn’t of establishment or otherwise anymore - its that technically the musical chairs post Liaqat Ali Khans assassination never really ended. Pakistan is playing an odd “squid game” except even when someone eventually wins it puts them back in the game again after they’ve taken their loot.

 

[Forsvaret]

Yes, true, and that establishment is not just one single man/institution…

If that’s true, why was there such a big "issue" over PM IK making General Faiz COAS if he hadn’t been toppled in VONC months prior to COAS General Bajwa’s retirement?