PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[hnn]

Have heard the example of Shaitan and Major Gobar Arya ? Even though both are our enemy but even once Shaitan had spoken the truth. Decipher Gobar Arya’s vomit and you will find some traces of truth in it.
How a Pakistani elite class (certain families) with the backing of military leadership are running the show.

"Elite Class (Certain Families)" + "Military Leadership" = what I am asserting to begin with. So do we have an agreement here?

 

[hnn]

The root cause of the rot in Pakistan today is the army. To answer your question, if you remove the army from the equation will all problems be solved ? Yes I believe so.

Pakistan needs merely to run according to its constitution and let its politics , its institutions, its culture and its people mature and evolve. All the problems will be solved by these forces themselves, just like they are in normal countries worldwide. Pakistan needs to be a normal country.

The army has refused to allow the politics or institutions or people or economy or civil society to grow and mature, instead it has stunted and degraded everything except itself. The army has refused to let Pakistanis live in a normal country.

So now that Imran Khan is openly calling out this army, its ugly mindset and its treacherous destructive ways, he should be supported. It doesn't matter what Imran did in the past.

Removing the institution from the equation removes the impediment for the Civil Supremacy to actualize.

Whether that civil supremacy is able to solve the problems is a separate question because civil supremacy doesn't necessarily mean problems solved. The nuance to understand here is that civil supremacy and institutions don't inherit competence by default because the institution of the military gave way for them.

There are countries without a powerful military that still have social, economic, and political problems. India, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Nigeria, Kenya, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece - just few countries to quote who have civil supremacy over the military, yet marred with same social, economic, and political issues as Pakistan.

I can only agree as far with you that military should give way for the civil supremacy but assuming that will automatically resolve all of Pakistan's problems is an a priori assumption that I can't concur with.

 

[gamaji]

An expert psychologist gives his professional opinion about Imran Ahmed Khotakhail's behavioral issues.

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[Pakistanithinktank]

"Elite Class (Certain Families)" + "Military Leadership" = what I am asserting to begin with. So do we have an agreement here?

You found the dog, you just need to find the leash.

 

[hnn]

You found the dog, you just need to find the leash.

And the leash is but a string attached, you also need to find the hand/s that hold the leash

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

And the leash is but a string attached, you also need to find the hand/s that hold the leash

“Tum teen saal ke liye aate ho, hum hamesha ke liye hain.”

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[ejaz007]

PTI leaders conveyed no more tolerance for anti-army campaigns, remarks​

Some leaders asked about PTI's social media operations and how content is decided and by whom, says sources​

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By Ansar Abbasi
December 11, 2025

PTI supporters hold portraits of party founder Imran Khan during a rally in Peshawar on March 10, 2024. — AFP
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leadership has been conveyed in clear terms that there will be zero tolerance for vilification campaigns and derogatory remarks against the Pakistan Army and its top command by Imran Khan and the party’s social media.

“We have been told that the situation has reached ‘enough is enough’ point, and that PTI leaders are well aware of the seriousness of the message,” said a party source.

The communication, sources said, underscores that although criticism of the military leadership has been going on for over three years, there will no longer be tolerance for attacks targeting the institution or its top command. The tone, it is claimed, has hardened significantly.

The recent meeting arranged between Uzma Khanam and her jailed brother and the PTI founding chairman, has also become a point of strain. Those who facilitated the meeting, including a few federal ministers and a key parliamentary figure, were reportedly left embarrassed by remarks made by Khan’s sister after the meeting.

The development was discussed among the PTI parliamentarians and reportedly several senior leaders expressed disappointment over the episode. They don’t publicly speak about it but among them they insist that Imran Khan’s members of family should exercise restraint and avoid repeating his harsh remarks in public, especially at a time when the party seeks political space and dialogue.

Sources further disclosed that some party leaders have been asked who controls PTI’s social media operations and how the content, including posts appearing under Imran Khan’s X account, is decided and circulated.

“There will be zero tolerance going forward regarding attacks on the army and its top command,” a source said, adding that this has been made unambiguously clear to the party leadership.

Within PTI’s parliamentary ranks, the dominant view is that dialogue is the only path towards political resolution, and many believe engagement is necessary for the party’s future. However, they acknowledge internally that Imran Khan’s statements and PTI’s social media narrative have become the biggest hurdle to any breakthrough.

“Just like the May 9, there is now no leniency left for campaigns against the military,” one of these sources commented. “Even if Imran Khan speaks in anger, those around him — especially his sisters — should not echo such remarks publicly. It only harms the party and weakens efforts for relief,” said a party MNA.

PTI leaders conveyed no more tolerance for anti-army campaigns, remarks

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leadership has been conveyed in clear terms that there will be zero tolerance for vilification campaigns and derogatory remarks against the Pakistan Army and...

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[hnn]

So basically, it was Meri Billi Mujhay Miaaon situation but on a grand national scale.

Well that is what happened everytime since 1990

 

[unconventional]

Imran Khan is a charismatic speaker and personality; but when you look beyond the surface and look at his record, he doesn’t have much to show.

 

[Rehan]

I feel very upset to see the divide in the army and the youth.

The military establishment needs to realize that it's not about Imran Khan,

It's about hate for the status quo families and their family pets that are enjoying this divide.

Is Atta tarrar or persons like him more patriotic than Imran khan or Love Army more ?? When a person like him talks in favor of the army by abusing Imran Khan, he actually creates a divide.

People like me get extremely upset with the word selection of DG ISPR ( with very due respect).

 

[Rehan]

Was nawaz shareef treated like Imran khan,

We all know Mariam Nazwa is full of lies, she is getting full protocol and nonopopo from the establishment ( was Dawn Leaks just a normal incident)

Why are we being forced into slavery of Nawaz, zardai, Wali, etc dynasties ??

 

[Fatman17]

Editorial: The resolution adopted by the Punjab Assembly calling for a ban on the PTI and its founder Imran Khan is yet another disturbing escalation in Pakistan’s already fraught politics. The move, which seeks not only to sideline what is arguably the country’s most popular political party and its leader but also disenfranchise the millions who voted for it in the last election, will erode the public’s trust in politics and politicians.

The resolution, sponsored by the PML-N, has framed its arguments in terms of national security, accusing both the PTI and the former prime minister of being “anti-state” and a “tool of the enemy state”.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1960455

 

[Cash gk]

We have an agreement about the main node as it exists today but with a small caveat i.e. what you're diagnosing as a root cause, I'm diagnosing as the major symptom of the disease (since we are using medical analogy)

What I mean to say is that the institution didn't inherently had this political power but seized it, and since this happened very early on in the history of Pakistan, it points out that the underlying conditions/vacuum that enabled this (the real root problem/s) were already too pronounced - and to understand and identify those conditions we'd have to look at the socio-political dynamic at play in the years preceding the Independence and right after, which I think Oscar's post did.

The second half of your post is already supporting that the problem is not only limited to a single institution but also existed before it became as powerful as it is today.

A good doctor knows the human body is complex which is why they don't diagnose the most visible symptom as the main underlying disease. Similarly, a good analyst knows that in a complex system a single variable can only be decisive because of the feedback loops. I mean to say social systems aren't an electric circuit where the decisive node is a simple binary on/off gate.

To further understand where I'm disagreeing with you over the simplicity - suppose we take out the institution from the equation, does that automatically solve all of Pakistan's problems? Does it create any new set of problems?

The pivot point of problems in the last four years is Asim Munir. That is the end of the discussion.

 

[Cash gk]

Imran Khan is a charismatic speaker and personality; but when you look beyond the surface and look at his record, he doesn’t have much to show.

Don’t you think you’re speaking way above your pay grade? Look at Imran Khan’s achievements

Built Pakistan’s history’s biggest political party with the largest public mandate ever recorded

Won Pakistan the only Cricket World Cup (1992)

Established three cancer hospitals & two universities

Introduced Pakistan’s first Single National Curriculum

Achieved 6% GDP growth during COVID when the whole world was collapsing

Launched the largest welfare programme, giving Rs 14,000 per family

Exposed Pakistan’s corrupt elite and their entire system

Broke India’s military myth by downing their jet & returning the pilot after tea


Now tell me do you have even one achievement of your own?
Actually forget you tell us if any Pakistani leader since 1947 has matched these achievements.

 

[Cash gk]

Editorial: The resolution adopted by the Punjab Assembly calling for a ban on the PTI and its founder Imran Khan is yet another disturbing escalation in Pakistan’s already fraught politics. The move, which seeks not only to sideline what is arguably the country’s most popular political party and its leader but also disenfranchise the millions who voted for it in the last election, will erode the public’s trust in politics and politicians.

The resolution, sponsored by the PML-N, has framed its arguments in terms of national security, accusing both the PTI and the former prime minister of being “anti-state” and a “tool of the enemy state”.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1960455

And she even did not win her own seat. And she's planning to ban Pakistan's biggest political party, which is called treason.