Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Ak01 said:
they dont have tons, i know many ex IAF pilots converting to UK licenses, really though, atleast in the UK, they will hoover anyone up with experience, so long as they have right to work.
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I would still think Indian airline pilots have more flight hours then their comparable Pakistani counterparts.
 
HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR said:
The discussion was about retired IAF and PAF pilots and I am still confused about contradictory claims regarding who has more average flying hrs.
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I was referring to Indian airline pilots - being more attractive for poaching. Which in then creates shortages in Indian airlines - who may look to IAF.

No comment on who has more flight hours in PAF vs IAF
 
Oscar said:
I was referring to Indian airline pilots - being more attractive for poaching. Which in then creates shortages in Indian airlines - who may look to IAF.

No comment on who has more flight hours in PAF vs IAF
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Oh, now I get it.
 
Ak01 said:
this is kinda not a solution.

The PCAA outsourced Theory exams to the UKCAA.

This also means Pakistanis pay 110 pounds per exam (x13- but actually 26...i will explain).

But Pakistanis being Pakistanis, had to stir shit up, anyone trying to do atpl theory in Pakistan must first sit CPL exams, then ATPL ones. Makes no sense, the content is identical, but there is just a small bit of additional content in the ATPL's.

This means Pakistani's must sit 26 exams, when really, theres no need. The UKCAA doesnt even do this.

This means, they pay 1.1 million PKR just for some multiple choice exams that mean nothing. You can pass them by memorising answers.

The further issue that comes is theres no standardised training in Pak.

For most Pakistani pilots, the first time they will touch something with twin engines is an airliner.

Not to mention, they receive no multi crew training (hence the poor crm we see). They also get no independence (any hour building is done with an instructor??), there is little, or no solo time.


Compare this to EASA/UK.

If tomorrow, you wanted to become a pilot, you will get anywhere from 40-150h of SEP basic VFR flying. Of this, only 30 or so is instructional, the rest is really solo.

Then, youll either do an IR, or CPL first, either way, but your IR is typically done in DA42 in the UK, or a P2006T in europe, most popular types. So you're used to flying twins for your IR. Your CPL can be done in a complex single (once again, they dont use these in Pakistan!), so retractable gear, variable pitch props etc.

Once your skils test is complete, you need to do an APS MCC course, to get you to proper airline, multi crew standards. This means you're able to properly operate in a two crew cockpit etc.

then you're application ready.

Pakistani flight training is a shit show, its not a great place, unless its an Air force pilot, i wouldnt want to share a flight deck with them, and even then, he'll probably be super cocky and a smart arse too because once again, pakistani pilots arent typically used to multi crew operations in the way we are in the west
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I got out of it just before those UK exams were mandated. Older exams were only 3000 rupees. They still had the rule where you give the same exam over and over with extra questions for each license. It was nonsense

Can't even begin to compare UK or US flight training to Pakistani. We have (mostly had, a lot have gone abroad) good instructors available but real issue is scarcity of the aircraft. Even when aircraft is good to fly at least one instrument is inop. Navigation is mostly done through iPad apps.

In Lahore students are not even learning able to practice basic turns properly because they can't see the horizon most of the time.

Overall flying in Pakistan is a joke. The planes are 30-40 years old, nothing works, ATC is the absolute worst, they have zero sense of urgency.
 
SoulSpokesman said:
@Baibers_1260

Thanks for the history.

Now you can tell us what happened to the Karachi Port in 1971?

And what happened to the Ghazi?- I am told it became Ghazi Shaheed.

Regards
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Look at the title - then look at the crap you are posting. Take a day off from posting toilet posts
 
side-winder said:
Asian Raptor revived again. J20 J35 J10 all sorted out SAAAR!

Bohat he besharam log hain yar.

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Even if it is all it’s cracked up to be - their ability to do things at scale despite their resources doesn’t have a good track record
 
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Asian Raptor revived again. J20 J35 J10 all sorted out SAAAR!

Bohat he besharam log hain yar.

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Oh - there is that "game changer" word again, it must mean it is "true".
 
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