China pushes CPEC 2.0 despite fears

How do you plan to transport oil,
from Gwadar to China ?

There are no oil pipelines currently, and no budget has been allocated for such a project in the future.
This road is one of the channels through which China imports oil from Middle Eastern countries, and it is also one of China’s trade routes. China hopes to build transportation routes in friendly countries to avoid trade being obstructed in the Indian Ocean by some unfriendly countries.
 
India has repeatedly refused to sign Belt and Road documents at SCO and BRICS meetings. India's reason is that China's proposed Belt and Road Initiative does not align with India's overall interests. The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project does not 'respect India's sovereignty' and is deliberately 'harming India's interests.'

There is a saying in China: 'If your enemy opposes you, it means you are doing the right thing. If your enemy supports you, you need to seriously consider whether you are doing something wrong.' If the CPEC project brings a debt trap to Pakistan, why has India opposed it multiple times?

As of March 2024, China has signed Belt and Road cooperation documents with 152 countries. The number of countries joining the Belt and Road accounts for 77% of the world's nations. If there were no benefits, why would all these countries want to join the Belt and Road cooperation?
 
@东风夜放花千树
If your enemy opposes you, it means you are doing the right thing.

Never mind what India says. You are on the right track. Looking forward to the taller than mountain friend invest another USD 500 billion in CPEC projects in India.

Regards
 
@东风夜放花千树
If your enemy opposes you, it means you are doing the right thing.

Never mind what India says. You are on the right track. Looking forward to the taller than mountain friend invest another USD 500 billion in CPEC projects in India.

Regards
Lol, I don't think any sensible Chinese gov and businessmen would be interested in investing anything similar to CPEC or other infra projects in India, the same goes for Indian gov, no kidding. You people were cursing CPEC nearly everyday on the forum since day one.
 
@ety

It is your brother who is miffed at India not being a part of the BRI.

Regards
Your statement is incorrect. China does not have any dissatisfaction; India is merely showing other member countries that it is India that has consistently refused to cooperate, which has nothing to do with China. India has overestimated its influence. When China proposed the establishment of the Belt and Road trade route, it had already decided to bypass India.

I saw the news that a farm is being built in Karachi to produce shrimp through aquaculture. This is a positive sign. China is very willing to expand trade with countries participating in the Belt and Road initiative. I believe India's market share in China's shrimp imports will soon be replaced.
 
Lol, I don't think any sensible Chinese gov and businessmen would be interested in investing anything similar to CPEC or other infra projects in India, the same goes for Indian gov, no kidding. You people were cursing CPEC nearly everyday on the forum since day one.
India has also proposed its own version of the 'Belt and Road Initiative,' which is the 'India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor' announced by Modi at the 2023 G20 Summit. Unfortunately, since the announcement, there has been no news about it.
 
Because of Pakistan's corrupt intransigence and torpidity even Afghanistan is building an economic corridor with China. Pakistan was way ahead in vision and the implementation but languished in poor progression :

How a Taliban highway in the Wakhan Corridor could expand China's influence and change global trade.
 


Listen to this interview carefully. What I have told you before is not fairy tale; this is the ground reality. China is happy with Pakistan because it views the country as politically unstable and poorly governed. Beijing wants Pakistan to reform its broken systems, improve governance, and focus on stability. If resolving political disputes, including the issue of Imran Khan's imprisonment, is necessary to restore stability, then it should be done. The era of political engineering must end, and the country must prioritize national stability and effective governance.
 


Listen to this interview carefully. What I have told you before is not fairy tale; this is the ground reality. China is happy with Pakistan because it views the country as politically unstable and poorly governed. Beijing wants Pakistan to reform its broken systems, improve governance, and focus on stability. If resolving political disputes, including the issue of Imran Khan's imprisonment, is necessary to restore stability, then it should be done. The era of political engineering must end, and the country must prioritize national stability and effective governance.

I certainly question this expert's competence. However, there is no doubt that his remarks regarding CPEC are incorrect.

The reasons for this could be:
1. Deliberate falsehoods spoken for strategic reasons!
2. Issues related to his own ideology or competence.
I would prefer it to be the first reason rather than the second.

In the context of Chinese politics and diplomacy, there exists a distinctive kind of "language." If you interpret it literally, your understanding will be significantly skewed.

To put it in plain and simple terms, the CPEC has been effectively shelved or suspended by the Chinese government. Given the nature of the China-Pakistan relationship, the Chinese government has adopted the euphemism "CPEC 2.0" as a substitute; in substance, however, it differs in no fundamental way from China's relations with its other neighbors. ------ The earlier CPEC—or what is now referred to as CPEC 1.0—represented a concept that was fundamentally different in substance.

To put it more bluntly, the Chinese government is actively cooling down relations with Pakistan. Of course, such language would never appear in formal political or diplomatic discourse.

BTW. This issue has nothing to do with Imran Khan or the PTI.
 
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I certainly question this expert's competence. However, there is no doubt that his remarks regarding CPEC are incorrect.

The reasons for this could be:
1. Deliberate falsehoods spoken for strategic reasons!
2. Issues related to his own ideology or competence.
I would prefer it to be the first reason rather than the second.

In the context of Chinese politics and diplomacy, there exists a distinctive kind of "language." If you interpret it literally, your understanding will be significantly skewed.

To put it in plain and simple terms, the CPEC has been effectively shelved or suspended by the Chinese government. Given the nature of the China-Pakistan relationship, the Chinese government has adopted the euphemism "CPEC 2.0" as a substitute; in substance, however, it differs in no fundamental way from China's relations with its other neighbors. ------ The earlier CPEC—or what is now referred to as CPEC 1.0—represented a concept that was fundamentally different in substance.

To put it more bluntly, the Chinese government is actively cooling down relations with Pakistan. Of course, such language would never appear in formal political or diplomatic discourse.

BTW. This issue has nothing to do with Imran Khan or the PTI.

China's leadership is actively watching Pakistan's internal instability and policy inconsistencies. Chinese University professors and geopolitical analysts are increasingly raising questions about Pakistan's strategic vision, institutional effectiveness, and commitment to long-term reforms. Although China may continue to provide financing, it is likely to do so on tougher terms, including higher-interest loans, while reducing its direct exposure to major projects. If these concerns persist, Beijing may accelerate efforts to develop alternative routes and partnerships outside the CPEC framework. Pakistani Establishment is slowing drifting away from China to Uncle Sam and that's something chinse are worried about. China has provided support when Pakistan need the most, while Uncle has only given Soya beans.

GIFT FROM USA TO PAKISTAN
Under the Pressler Amendment, the U.S. halted delivery of F-16s that Pakistan had already paid for because of concerns over Pakistan's nuclear program.
Restrictions on F-16 Upgrades and Weapons
In 2015, the U.S. approved the sale of AH-1Z Viper helicopters to Pakistan but later blocked it.
Military Aid and Defense Equipment Suspensions
Block Turkish T129 ATAK attack helicopter deal to Pakistan
 
China's leadership is actively watching Pakistan's internal instability and policy inconsistencies. Chinese University professors and geopolitical analysts are increasingly raising questions about Pakistan's strategic vision, institutional effectiveness, and commitment to long-term reforms. Although China may continue to provide financing, it is likely to do so on tougher terms, including higher-interest loans, while reducing its direct exposure to major projects. If these concerns persist, Beijing may accelerate efforts to develop alternative routes and partnerships outside the CPEC framework. Pakistani Establishment is slowing drifting away from China to Uncle Sam and that's something chinse are worried about. China has provided support when Pakistan need the most, while Uncle has only given Soya beans.

GIFT FROM USA TO PAKISTAN
Under the Pressler Amendment, the U.S. halted delivery of F-16s that Pakistan had already paid for because of concerns over Pakistan's nuclear program.
Restrictions on F-16 Upgrades and Weapons
In 2015, the U.S. approved the sale of AH-1Z Viper helicopters to Pakistan but later blocked it.
Military Aid and Defense Equipment Suspensions
Block Turkish T129 ATAK attack helicopter deal to Pakistan

@Michael do you know anything about Fujian University think tank recommendations/debate recently about CPEC or Pakistan?
 
China's leadership is actively watching Pakistan's internal instability and policy inconsistencies. Chinese University professors and geopolitical analysts are increasingly raising questions about Pakistan's strategic vision, institutional effectiveness, and commitment to long-term reforms. Although China may continue to provide financing, it is likely to do so on tougher terms, including higher-interest loans, while reducing its direct exposure to major projects. If these concerns persist, Beijing may accelerate efforts to develop alternative routes and partnerships outside the CPEC framework. Pakistani Establishment is slowing drifting away from China to Uncle Sam and that's something chinse are worried about. China has provided support when Pakistan need the most, while Uncle has only given Soya beans.

GIFT FROM USA TO PAKISTAN
Under the Pressler Amendment, the U.S. halted delivery of F-16s that Pakistan had already paid for because of concerns over Pakistan's nuclear program.
Restrictions on F-16 Upgrades and Weapons
In 2015, the U.S. approved the sale of AH-1Z Viper helicopters to Pakistan but later blocked it.
Military Aid and Defense Equipment Suspensions
Block Turkish T129 ATAK attack helicopter deal to Pakistan
The following are purely my personal opinions.

I don't entirely agree with your point of view.

In my view, China has not completely abandoned or pushed away Pakistan.
1. China’s own national policy is shifting toward an inward contraction. This is not directed at any specific foreign country, but rather reflects China’s overall national policy.
2. At the national levels of politics, the military, and the economy, it is sometimes necessary to view them in conjunction, while at other times they must be viewed separately.

China-Pakistan relations: at the political level, things remain unchanged; at the military level, there has been a slight upgrade, with the trend of escalation set to continue; at the economic level, however, the relationship is cooling rapidly.
Such a blunt description would not appear in a formal, official context.

Another issue that is easily overlooked is that people-to-people relations (as opposed to official ties) between China and Pakistan are cooling rapidly! This is an alarming signal! ------ IMO, the Pakistani Embassy in China bears the primary responsibility for this.

@Michael do you know anything about Fujian University think tank recommendations/debate recently about CPEC or Pakistan?

In the discourse of the Chinese public, terms such as "think tank," "expert," and "scholar" are—the vast majority of the time—pejorative rather than complimentary. (We occasionally take it seriously, but very rarely.)

Generally, when we occasionally encounter their remarks or programs, we view them as entertainment or gossip rather than as serious topics. To put it in terms you can easily grasp: we treat them like talk show performers.
 

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