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[Forsvaret]

Well, one's actions can and do have consequences. What is your issue here?

The issue here is a complete lack of any consequences for the military establishment. But as I had mentioned earlier, your post was totally predictable lmao:

Those 500 people broke the "rules", hence they’re totally at fault, that is all — @VCheng

 

[PakFactor]

I hope it's merely due to your stupidity.

You are the perfect example of how God has people on repeat, and whose conditions do not change.
Lastly, you're too dumb to understand, hence, you should move on.

 

[Forsvaret]

Yeah, the streets happen to be inside GHQ and airbases, ISI offices/safehouses, etc. and the 'protest' includes using special fuel to burn the parked fighter jets, set core commander's house on fire, and much more

Just like the counter-protest measures employed by military establishment include using live ammunition on the unarmed protesters or soak them with cold acid filled water in December?

 

[Forsvaret]

Threatening others and trying to break the jail are serious crimes.

Stealing Pakistani public’s election mandate since the military orchestrated martial law of 1958, over and over again ain’t no crime at all, then?

 

[Meengla]

whatever is on his mind, at times says something but then has to backtrack, hes done this loads of times. His heart might be in the right place but politically he has made alot of mistakes, so many corrupt electables were allowed in his party, the long marches/darnas were supported by establishment,

Bhai, you keep saying such things but I find it odd that you still think the guy is rational/smart enough to make the right choices in a complex country like Pakistan going forward? Just look at his many blunders since late 2021 and even as of a few days ago where he has all but dumped the few sincere old ideological companions who are now starting to sing.
Is there a limit to the leeway granted to Imran's stupidities to the extent that people keep pinning hopes on him? As VCheng keeps saying here: Actions have consequences. Or more crudely speaking: FAFO!

 

[Goenitz]

So are you saying that what is happening to IK is NOT from Allah as He has willed it for him? If Allah does only good and kher, then how is he allowing all the evil to come about as well?

Anyway, that is NOT a line of reasoning I would pursue any further, except to say what I said earlier:

What is happening to IK is exactly as Allah has willed it for him, as He does for all of us.

No. You can think again and post.

 

[Forsvaret]

The May 9 Mutiny fell apart.

If that’s true, then how come this guy simply can’t stop doing political pressers against Imran Khan (even after two years of that alleged "mutiny" falling apart) while still being in military uniform?

 

[Forsvaret]

Bhai, you keep saying such things but I find it odd that you still think the guy is rational/smart enough to make the right choices in a complex country like Pakistan going forward?

And somehow, this unelected & completely untouchable for life guy does?

 

[Goenitz]

But don't IK's followers like to claim that he is the national cause that a vast majority of the people support? Or is that another fake claim, given what you have said in the rest of your post:

I meant that for Pakistanis, even the rule of law means nothing. They don't mind living in a patriarchy. Whether civilians are killed by judge's son or a woman is killed in the name of honour stir nothing in civil society. Unlike the US, where the entire country can gather, if an individual is not given due process.

Well, one's actions can and do have consequences. What is your issue here?

My issue is that the consequences are not constitutional and legal.

Threatening others and trying to break the jail are serious crimes.

They simply came so that the sisters could meet. Anyway, only a fragile state can be threatened by such actions. Did they have weapons and machinery to break the jail walls?

A little offtopic but be GLAD that the security agencies of all kinds do obey order in a country like Pakistan (and many other 3rd world countries) because it is better to have a hundred good people giving rational orders to the

Yes and no. The majority of things are both good and bad. A strict chain of command is the best under some situations and not in others.

 

[Goenitz]

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Not only IK but his entire family is fighting.

 

[Meengla]

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Not only IK but his entire family is fighting.

Imran is such an iconoclast against 'dynastic politics'. My guess is when Imran is dead, his sons won't be stupid enough to stop humping chicks and sipping champagne to leave Jemima's rich household in England to come to Pakistan and do 'politics' in Imran's name and his sisters too old. So we may see a rump PTI 'loyalists' carrying Imran's portraits to do 'politics'.
Like 'Bhutto' is alive. Imran too will be 'alive'--through his portraits!

 

[Forsvaret]

Like 'Bhutto' is alive. Imran too will be 'alive'--through his portraits!

A picture is worth a thousand words:

 

[PakAl]

Bhai, you keep saying such things but I find it odd that you still think the guy is rational/smart enough to make the right choices in a complex country like Pakistan going forward? Just look at his many blunders since late 2021 and even as of a few days ago where he has all but dumped the few sincere old ideological companions who are now starting to sing.
Is there a limit to the leeway granted to Imran's stupidities to the extent that people keep pinning hopes on him? As VCheng keeps saying here: Actions have consequences. Or more crudely speaking: FAFO!

Everyone has positive and negative aspects. I don't think anything else matters except the fight over army appointments, Internal security, International relations and anti army statements. Thats the main reason for all this fight, same happened with Bhutto, Mujib, Benazir, Nawaz. Regarding everything else, when has Pakistan ever done well, since the 1970s we suffered.

The main question no side answers is how to sort out this mess and move forward, for Pakistan and its people sake. Do we want parliamentary system, free and fair elections, rule of law, independent institutions or do we want hybrid regime or theocracy. Pakistan current rulers must declare this, change constitution or even scrap it but let the people know, this game of deception is hurting the nation. We talk about Jinnah Pakistan but Jinnah called for free and fair elections, civilian supremacy and the rest or as @VCheng says this is Zia Pakistan. The people have the right to know so that we can all move forward.

 

[Goenitz]

Imran is such an iconoclast against 'dynastic politics'. My guess is when Imran is dead, his sons won't be stupid enough to stop humping chicks and sipping champagne to leave Jemima's rich household in England to come to Pakistan and do 'politics' in Imran's name and his sisters too old. So we may see a rump PTI 'loyalists' carrying Imran's portraits to do 'politics'.
Like 'Bhutto' is alive. Imran too will be 'alive'--through his portraits!

his sons don't know good Urdu and are oblivious to Asian sentiments/culture at large. They cannot represent the Pakistani public. A politician and a lawyer must be from that nation only.
We all will die eventually. A third generation seldom knows its great grandparents' names. I am not sure how IK will be remembered in future.

 

[PakAl]

The issue here is a complete lack of any consequences for the military establishment. But as I had mentioned earlier, your post was totally predictable lmao:

We don't even know what is Pakistan anymore. Is it hybrid regime, theocracy, parliamentary Republic with free and fair elections, people rule or military rule. Our rulers should make this clear. Look at Afghanistan, Taliban are the rulers for life, end of story, anyone opposing them is a traitor, or as in Norway, people vote parties to parliament and they then control the government and policies (they work with their establishment aswell).