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[Forsvaret]

Pakistani people generally do not live in a coherent society.

That I can agree on, however, my original argument was that hypocrites like @VCheng and @gamaji keep complaining about people not coming on the streets. But when they did come on the streets on 9th May 2023 or 26th November 2024, they shamelessly branded those very same people as "traitors" and "fitna" and whatnot!

 

[Goenitz]

That I can agree on, however, my original argument was that hypocrites like @VCheng and @gamaji keep complaining about people not coming on the streets. But when they did come on the streets on 9th May 2023 or 26th November 2024, they shamelessly branded those very same people as "traitors" and "fitna" and whatnot!

yeah that too. Those 500 people who were sitting in front of Adiala are now charged with terrorism.

 

[Forsvaret]

Those 500 people who were sitting in front of Adiala are now charged with terrorism.

Those 500 people broke the "rules", hence they’re totally at fault, that is all — @VCheng

 

[VCheng]

lol...
Allah only does good and kher. Humans have free will and are liable to do sins like killing, r@pe etc. Please, be flexible and don't mould everything to suit your narrative.

So are you saying that what is happening to IK is NOT from Allah as He has willed it for him? If Allah does only good and kher, then how is he allowing all the evil to come about as well?

Anyway, that is NOT a line of reasoning I would pursue any further, except to say what I said earlier:

What is happening to IK is exactly as Allah has willed it for him, as He does for all of us.

 

[VCheng]

Therefore, there is no clear national cause which can move people from their homes (except religious movements).

But don't IK's followers like to claim that he is the national cause that a vast majority of the people support? Or is that another fake claim, given what you have said in the rest of your post:

"However, don't worry. Not only public, but our judiciary, lawyers, police, and even the army is coward. The servicemen will obey all illegal orders of General Dyer to kill their own countrymen without flinching. No amount of rationality, patriotism and sense can prevent them from following illegal and immoral orders."

 

[flyingorca]

The real question is, can PTI survive without imran khan? NO.

 

[VCheng]

yeah that too. Those 500 people who were sitting in front of Adiala are now charged with terrorism.

Well, one's actions can and do have consequences. What is your issue here?

 

[PakFactor]

So are you saying that what is happening to IK is NOT from Allah as He has willed it for him? If Allah does only good and kher, then how is he allowing all the evil to come about as well?

Anyway, that is NOT a line of reasoning I would pursue any further, except to say what I said earlier:

What is happening to IK is exactly as Allah has willed it for him, as He does for all of us.

Yep. Allah does have a weird habit of doing the same thing over and over; the only difference is that he chooses a different emissary, who the hell needs an educated man at the nation's helm, when you have a Hafiz e Quran.

Oh, how I wish this were a dream I could wake up from.

 

[gamaji]

So which one is it? When people protest on the streets, they are called "traitors" and "anti-state". And when the same people stop protesting on the streets, they are called "cowards". Either way, you’re not happy with the people, no matter what they do.

Yeah, the streets happen to be inside GHQ and airbases, ISI offices/safehouses, etc. and the 'protest' includes using special fuel to burn the parked fighter jets, set core commander's house on fire, and much more.

I don't know if you're indeed a stupid, a evil liar, or utterly innocent.

 

[gamaji]

Yep. Allah does have a weird habit of doing the same thing over and over;

Are you in your senses?

 

[PakFactor]

Are you in your senses?

Move along ...

 

[PakAl]

No man, I humbly disagree except his sister interview with Bharti Media. I strongly criticized her in original thread.

I have deep respect for IK and I ain't changing my view. I got no benefit for doing this.

Imran Khan is a blunt personality, he says whatever is on his mind, at times says something but then has to backtrack, hes done this loads of times. His heart might be in the right place but politically he has made alot of mistakes, so many corrupt electables were allowed in his party, the long marches/darnas were supported by establishment, then the same Imran Khan had a fallout with the same establishment. Now both sides attacking each other and ofcourse the generals don't like to be attacked so they turned the screws on him. Other politicians like Zardari and Nawaz both been through this so they know how to play the establishment. Another issue is international relations, our establishment has long term relations with world powers and don't want anyone to sabotage them. Look at Usa, they have long term relations with Israel and no president can sabotage them. Its difficult situation, Pakistan is not superpower.

 

[gamaji]

yeah that too. Those 500 people who were sitting in front of Adiala are now charged with terrorism.

Threatening others and trying to break the jail are serious crimes.

 

[Meengla]

However, don't worry. Not only public, but our judiciary, lawyers, police, and even the army is coward. The servicemen will obey all illegal orders of General Dyer to kill their own countrymen without flinching. No amount of rationality, patriotism and sense can prevent them from following illegal and immoral orders.

A little offtopic but be GLAD that the security agencies of all kinds do obey order in a country like Pakistan (and many other 3rd world countries) because it is better to have a hundred good people giving rational orders to the security agencies then to have a mob of a security agencies! BTW,that's one of the core doctrines of PTI and Imran fanbois: Because Imran might be personally non-corrupt, the rest will fall in place because he would pick a good team. Evidence is to the contrary of that but the principle is the same.

The real question is, can PTI survive without imran khan? NO.

"Absolutely Not!".

Yeah, the streets happen to be inside GHQ and airbases, ISI offices/safehouses, etc. and the 'protest' includes using special fuel to burn the parked fighter jets, set core commander's house on fire, and much more.
I don't know if you're indeed a stupid, a evil liar, or utterly innocent.

The May 9 Mutiny fell apart. It was a result of gross miscalculations by Imran and Faiz along with some superior Judges and some Generals. But, TBH, Faiz was the biggest of all culprits. Imran fell for his BS but then.... really doesn't matter now.

 

[gamaji]

Move along ...

I hope it's merely due to your stupidity.