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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%

  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%

  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%
  • Total voters
    112
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Goenitz said:
08 Feb elections have shown that they are not content with it.
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And they also showed they were content with the government that was installed.

And they also showed they were content with IK being in jail for nearly three years now.

So what does one conclude from all of that, not just the elections?

Goenitz said:
We don't have a reference what is right or wrong.
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Well, the reference that applies here is the law as applied in the relevant courts of jurisdiction.
 
Cash gk said:
Life is going to be very, very difficult for the Shiff family inside the UK. These boys are going to use every bit of influence they have, and their disposal
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As is their right. Please go right ahead.
 
VCheng said:
And they also showed they were content with the government that was installed.

And they also showed they were content with IK being in jail for nearly three years now.

So what does one conclude from all of that, not just the elections?
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Our job as citizens is to cast vote for whom we like. It is the job of courts, EC, police and army to protect and safeguard our rights.
Do you think citizens have to do everything? If Lahore is taken by IA then you want to blame Lahoris for that? What is the army's role then?
Are Pakistanis content that Jonagarh. Hyderabad, E.Pak, or Kashmir is taken away from us?
Or a father is content (as he didn't do) that he cannot get justice if his son is killed or his daughter is deflowered bcz the perpetrator is a strong man?
or the Gazans content getting bombed as they cannot escape (or keep living there,) or have no means to fight?
With that logic, BLA is right as it is not content and fighting back.
VCheng said:
Well, the reference that applies here is the law as applied in the relevant courts of jurisdiction.
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Those courts don't even have their own reference. These courts sometimes pass judgment that this ruling cannot be used as precedent. Then they allow a rally for one party and not for the other.
 
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Mahmood Achakzai.
Pakistan is a federal state, constitution must be followed, noone can change the foundation of the constitution, every institute will work by the constitution, free and fair elections, we have no enemity with the generals or politicians.

The negotiating committee wants signatures from government and Imran Khan will also sign, they will also give gurantee Imran Khan will not cause civil unrest.

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VCheng said:
And they also showed they were content with the government that was installed.
And they also showed they were content with IK being in jail for nearly three years now.
So what does one conclude from all of that, not just the elections?
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Right.
But you know the biggest problem with Imran's supporters is that they don't contextualize enough events and actions related to Imran Khan. In extremely simplistic terms, Imran is the best because he means the best. And under that kind of paradigm, Imran's biggest mistakes and cruelties are swept under the rug.
And it saddens me that the so-called best of Pakistan's brains--the educated ones--the expats in the West especially-- have simply forgotten and forgiven Imran's huge blunders and cruelty to his opponents just because they think Imran means the best and so he is the best. Is that a tautological argument??
 
Goenitz said:
Do you think citizens have to do everything?
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Of course. Please keep in mind that the military, the courts, the parliament, the ordinary people, they all are the citizenry - all of them.

It is indeed 100% up to the citizens of a country to make it the way they want their country to be.

And Pakistan is exactly what its people want it to be.
 
VCheng said:
You would know about what they like far better than I, because both your flags are green, compared to only one of mine.
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Oh, come on, you know this would've been both our positions had we been living in Pakistan; it's natural in the land of the pure.
 
Meengla said:
Right.
But you know the biggest problem with Imran's supporters is that they don't contextualize enough events and actions related to Imran Khan. In extremely simplistic terms, Imran is the best because he means the best. And under that kind of paradigm, Imran's biggest mistakes and cruelties are swept under the rug.
And it saddens me that the so-called best of Pakistan's brains--the educated ones--the expats in the West especially-- have simply forgotten and forgiven Imran's huge blunders and cruelty to his opponents just because they think Imran means the best and so he is the best. Is that a tautological argument??
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You have just defined fools belonging to a cult, nothing else. Education or residence has nothing to do with this at all.

A moron is a moron with any degree and living anywhere, and shows clearly that being a moron is as simple as a moron does.

Just look at the several in this very thread. :D
 
PakFactor said:
Oh, come on, you know this would've been both our positions had we been living in Pakistan; it's natural in the land of the pure.
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That is a hypothetical question at this point. It was not so when I left the country.
 
He has to pay the price as he promised them in exchange of his extension.
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Meengla said:
Right.
But you know the biggest problem with Imran's supporters is that they don't contextualize enough events and actions related to Imran Khan. In extremely simplistic terms, Imran is the best because he means the best. And under that kind of paradigm, Imran's biggest mistakes and cruelties are swept under the rug.
And it saddens me that the so-called best of Pakistan's brains--the educated ones--the expats in the West especially-- have simply forgotten and forgiven Imran's huge blunders and cruelty to his opponents just because they think Imran means the best and so he is the best. Is that a tautological argument??
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I want to interject on that point (bold). The overseas Pakistani's are different, compared to your generation or my father's, who've come to the West after accepting what's normal in Pakistan, against those who came here very young or born here and are Pakistani by virtue of lineage. The practices we see back home are abhorrent and repulsive; you can't humanize them under any circumstances, even in a security state.

Then we see the hypocrisy of the state in general from its very foundation, the claim of being Islamic but doing everything possible and going counter to those Islamic values, and then asking the citizenry to offer its fealty to the state, by putting a gun to someone's head and stripping them of their basic fundamental rights. In simplest terms, the state's functioning isn't aligning with the norms for how a state should operate.

The clash within Pakistan is a clash with itself, and with the outside Pakistani's, and the system. It creates a weak foundation and is susceptible to destabilization.
 
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