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[hyperman]

I don t want indulge some chest thumping competition. Lately US-IMF or these foreign financial consortium does' t allow Egypt to buy S35. Also didn't you learn, when imported S400 from Russia, US stopped F35 delivery ....

Su-35: What Cairo Isn’t Saying​

Behind Egypt’s rejection of the Russian fighter jet lies a decision driven by pressure and not technical shortcomings​

Akram Kharief MENADEFENSE
juil. 03, 2025






The quiet confirmation from Cairo that it would not finalize the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighters took few by surprise—not because of the decision itself, as many observers had already deduced the batch was bound for another North African client—but because of the reasons cited. Officially, Egypt invoked technical justifications: outdated radar, high fuel consumption, reliance on external guidance (AWACS), and high radar and thermal signatures. Yet these arguments fail to convince and poorly conceal the real motives behind a reversal shaped as much by Washington as by the complex realities of the Egyptian regime. In truth, the decision reveals much about Egypt’s limited military sovereignty.

Yes, the F-35, but thats a different matter. Its a temporary element, I'm talking long term, there will not be a dependence long term, we are talking Post KAAN induction.

Turkey still has significant game changing platforms it can export to Egypt that would indeed change the balance and the dynamics between Egypt and Israel, enough so that the Israelis would be forced to account for that front significantly.

Ultimately IMO its in everyone's interest that capacities throughout the region grow, whether its Saudi, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, Egypt or Turkey. The more nodes there are, the more the Israelis have to worry about contingencies.

 

[HAIDER]

Yes, the F-35, but thats a different matter. Its a temporary element, I'm talking long term, there will not be a dependence long term, we are talking Post KAAN induction.

Turkey still has significant game changing platforms it can export to Egypt that would indeed change the balance and the dynamics between Egypt and Israel, enough so that the Israelis would be forced to account for that front significantly.

Ultimately IMO its in everyone's interest that capacities throughout the region grow, whether its Saudi, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, Egypt or Turkey. The more nodes there are, the more the Israelis have to worry about contingencies.

I believe that fundamental combat technologies have already slipped beyond the control of major powers. Drones and missiles, for instance, have become decisive tools of modern warfare, as seen in the devastation of the war in Ukraine. Large, high cost weapon systems now carry less weight in the reality of all out conflict.

Turkey deliberately invested in drone technology, while Iran was forced down that path due to heavy embargoes. Yet both nations have achieved remarkable progress in this field. Drones stand out as a low cost option that delivers significant results across different types of warfare, whether in low intensity conflicts, targeted operations, or full scale wars. They require no runway, their launch sites are difficult to detect, and they pose a serious challenge to aircraft, especially when flying low and slow.

For the West, protecting Israel demands a massive and ongoing budget. This is not a one time expenditure but a permanent financial commitment.

 

[hyperman]

I believe that fundamental combat technologies have already slipped beyond the control of major powers. Drones and missiles, for instance, have become decisive tools of modern warfare, as seen in the devastation of the war in Ukraine. Large, high cost weapon systems now carry less weight in the reality of all out conflict.

Turkey deliberately invested in drone technology, while Iran was forced down that path due to heavy embargoes. Yet both nations have achieved remarkable progress in this field. Drones stand out as a low cost option that delivers significant results across different types of warfare, whether in low intensity conflicts, targeted operations, or full scale wars. They require no runway, their launch sites are difficult to detect, and they pose a serious challenge to aircraft, especially when flying low and slow.

For the West, protecting Israel demands a massive and ongoing budget. This is not a one time expenditure but a permanent financial commitment.

I think Traditional air forces still have a role, the Ukraine war is a bit misleading b/c Ukraine doesn't have a potent air force, its just a few old soviet unupgraded junkers and old F-16s. And the Russians don't have anything that can do SEAD effectively or can operate in contested airspace, they also don't want to risk anything so they just do standoff airstrikes.

We saw in the Pakistan India exchange, a very different air picture with BVR fights.

 

[HAIDER]

I think Traditional air forces still have a role, the Ukraine war is a bit misleading b/c Ukraine doesn't have a potent air force, its just a few old soviet unupgraded junkers and old F-16s. And the Russians don't have anything that can do SEAD effectively or can operate in contested airspace, they also don't want to risk anything so they just do standoff airstrikes.

We saw in the Pakistan India exchange, a very different air picture with BVR fights.

On Pak-India standoff, issue has sparked lengthy debate. The Pakistani Air Force has developed its own air defense control system, link 17, which has never been shared with any other country. In contrast, Link 16 is widely used and is based on U.S. supplied weapon systems. Pakistan relies on Link 17, which incorporates Chinese technology. Moreover, Indian pilots have not received the same level of in-depth training that Pakistani and Turkish pilots undergo under Western and NATO standards.

 

[Foinikas]

He is in Israel right now. What do you think are they talking about? The weather?

The power cables and gas pipes

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey really should start arming Egypt, Give the Israelis 2 fronts to worry about. And in the meantime consolidate Syria.

What makes you think Egypt prefers to turn against Greece and the EU and Israel and the Americans?

 

[hyperman]

What makes you think Egypt prefers to turn against Greece and the EU and Israel and the Americans?

Not against Greece, but against Israel. Even if they don't seek active hostility, this is not how the zionist entity interprets it, what it interprets is capacity. Basically if you have the capability, it views your as a threat, it sees itself as an apex predator of sorts and wants no one else powerful to exist around it, and it being the one that dictates terms.

 

[r3alist]

The thing is that,Israelis are a big exception to the canon. You saw what they did to Gaza for two years and virtually got nothing but a "Please stop..." from the world. Some countries individually did something,but then again it wasn't enough.

Instead of blaming others,tell me,why hasn't Russia nor China done something serious to stop the genocide for 2 years? Russia was in a war,ok. What about China?

The Christian presence in Jerusalem and surrounding areas is being undermined at a faster rate than the Muslim, you could argue. Isnt the whole world kind of allowing this to happen

 

[Foinikas]

The Christian presence in Jerusalem and surrounding areas is being undermined at a faster rate than the Muslim, you could argue. Isnt the whole world kind of allowing this to happen

Unfortunately,most world leaders are now Freemasons,atheists or just greedy corrupt traitors who don't care about Christianity. There are no Catholic Crusades anymore,there is Tsar in Russia to intervene about Eastern Orthodox rights in the Holy Land.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Nobody has an independent financial system. lol, arguably not even the Chinese as of yet.

Arming Egypt is not a waste at all, a buildup in Egypt requires Israelis to dedicate resources on that front, resources that cannot be used against Turkey in Cyprus. Egypt has been cucked for so long, being denied access to technology by the west and with the Soviet collapse, a Russia that frankly just could not provide Egypt with anything that kept pace with what Israel had. To this day, not a single export of AESA radared aircraft to Egypt from Russia, infact Russia itself only has the Su-57 recently which has AESA, they never put one on their Su-35. Russia also has relations with Israel where it will never transfer anything critical to Egypt that would endanger Israel, Turkey has no such limitations. It can sell uncucked weapons and platforms.

Turkey has the power to be a disrupter here, with NATO grade equipment that is comparable to Israeli equipment. Egypt is looking for Ballistic missile that can range all of Israel and can be fired from deep inside Egypt. Turkey has this. Egypt needs Electronic Warfare equipment, Air Defense, a wide assortment of munitions and cruise missiles. Tanks, armored vehicles, drones, surveillance. BVR missiles that can range the Entirety of Israel.

The more Israel has to worry about Egypt, the better it is for Turkey, as a second front. Of course none of this is possible without Egypt also helping Turkey, namely adopting the Turkish line on Libya, Syria and Sudan. It would have to be a mutually beneficial relationship.

The problem for Egypt it seems is not only external factors, but also of its own decision making aswell for its procurement programmes? When Kaan is available, will Egypt buy them? I am not sure they will as the middle east is a petty place to be, where the demise of something is seen as a positive in the zero sum mindset of the region.

Right now, even though Turkiye and Iran are competitors, the logical question is if the fall of Iran to Israel in Turkiyes interest? Is Turkiye actively undermining Iran right now because it also views the region through a zero sum approach ?

 

[Foinikas]

Is Turkiye actively undermining Iran right now because it also views the region through a zero sum approach ?

I think hyperman or Esbah posted an article at the Turkish Foreign Policy thread talking about Turkey stopping PKK to move weapons to Iranian Kurds during the Iran-Israel conflict months ago.

 

[snne]

Turkey really should start arming Egypt, Give the Israelis 2 fronts to worry about. And in the meantime consolidate Syria.

Contrary to Turkish rapproachement attempts, dictator Sisi keeps warming relations with Greece and Israel against Turkey. Talk about being a lapdog.

 

[Foinikas]

Contrary to Turkish rapproachement attempts, dictator Sisi keeps warming relations with Greece and Israel against Turkey. Talk about being a lapdog.

When Turkey was best friends with Israel,did you call Erdogan a lapdog back then?

 

[snne]

When Turkey was best friends with Israel,did you call Erdogan a lapdog back then?

He’s still a lapdog. He may not be Israel’s lapdog, but a lapdog is a lapdog. Nothing has changed in this regard.

Shortsighted Israel (as well as Greece), is making a historic mistake by antagonizing the last ruler of the region under whom the region last lived in (relative) peace.

They might be advantaged today, but they will eventually live to regret it in two decades from now.

Peaceful coexistence could be a reality, but both Greece and Israel are trading it for short-term internal politics and short-sighted hysteria, encouraged by their short-term advantages; while Erdoğan is making one compromise after another in Turkish national security in order to continue his rule.

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Also, enough whataboutism, ok?

 

[Foinikas]

Shortsighted Israel (as well as Greece), is making a historic mistake by antagonizing the last ruler of the region under whom the region last lived in (relative) peace.

Has it ever crossed your mind that people might not want to be under Ottoman rule?

Peaceful coexistence could be a reality, but both Greece and Israel are trading it for short-term internal politics and short-sighted hysteria, encouraged by their short-term advantages; while Erdoğan is making one compromise after another in Turkish national security in order to continue his rule.

1.How could peaceful coexistence be a reality when one side has made this official State policy:



2.How is Erdogan compromising Turkey's national security,when he's been making or buying weapons like crazy?