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[VCheng]

We give, to people their time ...
We are not fortune tellers.
But politics is a dynamic thing
He seem to be engrossed within himself. I expect he can come to reality, but regime has blocked free access to outside world. That is also a big factor. May be they want to make an example of him like ZAB. ZAB was also kept pretty much in isolation.

I am perfectly patient to wait and see what happens. What is the rush?

 

[Meengla]

We give, to people their time ...
We are not fortune tellers.
But politics is a dynamic thing
He seem to be engrossed within himself. I expect he can come to reality, but regime has blocked free access to outside world. That is also a big factor. May be they want to make an example of him like ZAB. ZAB was also kept pretty much in isolation.

With all due respect, he had one year to launch over 50 mass public meetings after his ouster in April 2022. Look at his behavior those days. He was free, had been given a megaphone, the Establishment didn't want to be too harsh on their monsterous creation then. There were plenty of 'olive branches' extended to him: Come and sit in the National Assembly, let this Assembly of the disjointed political parties run its course, which would have been only 1-2 more years, if they lasted that long.
He was most certainly advised by his loyalists, seniors to ride it out.
You guys give too much credit to the 'intelligence' and 'temperament' of this guy.

 

[imadul]

With all due respect, he had one year to launch over 50 mass public meetings after his ouster in April 2022. Look at his behavior those days. He was free, had been given a megaphone, the Establishment didn't want to be too harsh on their monsterous creation then. There were plenty of 'olive branches' extended to him: Come and sit in the National Assembly, let this Assembly of the disjointed political parties run its course, which would have been only 1-2 more years, if they lasted that long.
He was most certainly advised by his loyalists, seniors to ride it out.
You guys give too much credit to the 'intelligence' and 'temperament' of this guy.

I have to GRUDGINGLY agree with you.
Whatever happened, was the normal Pakistan way.
And change is gradual. It is not a prefab construction .

 

[Mustang125]

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Figured you might get a chuckle out of this @Jango @PakAl

 

[Cash gk]

We give, to people their time ...
We are not fortune tellers.
But politics is a dynamic thing
He seem to be engrossed within himself. I expect he can come to reality, but regime has blocked free access to outside world. That is also a big factor. May be they want to make an example of him like ZAB. ZAB was also kept pretty much in isolation.

You all can go back to my posts right around the NCM Vote in April 2022. I haven't not changed those posts. They are in the old PDF. I was an Imran supporter then but I KNEW he was making a horrible mistake about the NCM but the mistake he did about the NCM and the mistakes he continued to make after that have sealed his fate. I stopped supporting him shortly after his NCM blunder and in fact got into several heated exchanges with his supporters over my change of heart about Imran.
I am seldom wrong

You are analysing Imran Khan as if he were an ordinary politician. That is your first and biggest mistake.
What you describe—adjustment, compromise, stepping back, and parliamentary manoeuvring. applies to career politicians, not to a phenomenon. Imran Khan does not fit into textbook models because he is not built from the same material.
What you call a “mistake,” I call intent. He knew exactly what he was doing. He chose confrontation over comfort, exposure over accommodation. He did not miscalculate—he forced masks to fall, exposing every mafia, internal and external, precisely because he refused to play along.
Your analysis assumes he was trying to win within the system. He wasn’t. He was exposing the system. That distinction is beyond the mental framework you are using.
He is not driven by survival instinct, seat arithmetic, or tactical convenience. He is driven by conviction. That is why your analysis keeps failing. you cannot judge a leader who refuses to normalise injustice using the tools designed for transactional politics.
You speak of “wisdom” as accommodation with murder, stolen mandates, and the crushing of public will. That may be wisdom in the world of deals and compromises. It is not wisdom in the language of history.
Imran Khan is not a politician trying to remain relevant. He is a leader willing to pay a personal price so that certain crimes are never legitimised. You call that rigidity. History calls it character.
You may discuss compromises for others if you wish. Do not project that smallness onto him.
A free man will always appear irrational to those who have learned to live in chains.

 

[Cash gk]

This world is not built for slaves who accept their servitude and abandon their purpose out of fear. fear of loss, fear of sacrifice, or fear born from a mind unable to grasp a larger vision.
Those who live only to survive will never understand those who live to leave a mark. History is not made by people who calculate safety; it is made by those who choose meaning over comfort.
Some are content to exist quietly within chains. Others are born to break them—and those are the ones history remembers.

 

[imadul]

You are analysing Imran Khan as if he were an ordinary politician. That is your first and biggest mistake.
What you describe—adjustment, compromise, stepping back, and parliamentary manoeuvring. applies to career politicians, not to a phenomenon. Imran Khan does not fit into textbook models because he is not built from the same material.
What you call a “mistake,” I call intent. He knew exactly what he was doing. He chose confrontation over comfort, exposure over accommodation. He did not miscalculate—he forced masks to fall, exposing every mafia, internal and external, precisely because he refused to play along.
Your analysis assumes he was trying to win within the system. He wasn’t. He was exposing the system. That distinction is beyond the mental framework you are using.
He is not driven by survival instinct, seat arithmetic, or tactical convenience. He is driven by conviction. That is why your analysis keeps failing. you cannot judge a leader who refuses to normalise injustice using the tools designed for transactional politics.
You speak of “wisdom” as accommodation with murder, stolen mandates, and the crushing of public will. That may be wisdom in the world of deals and compromises. It is not wisdom in the language of history.
Imran Khan is not a politician trying to remain relevant. He is a leader willing to pay a personal price so that certain crimes are never legitimised. You call that rigidity. History calls it character.
You may discuss compromises for others if you wish. Do not project that smallness onto him.
A free man will always appear irrational to those who have learned to live in chains.

Sir, you did write it good, but words don't bring change.
One does not come to politics to EXPOSE someone, but to bring a better change, and change is a slow gradual process. One has to use statesmanship to keep going forward without forgetting about the goal.
One point:
IK set a very high bar against corruption. Why did he took items from the Tosha Khana? Even if it was per rule (and it wasn't, he used loophole).
Zardaris and Sharifs are base corrupt, why he even has to come close to this thing?
In the developed World he knows very well, these gifts are auctioned off and proceeds go to welfare.

 

[Cash gk]

Sir, you did write it good, but words don't bring change.
One does not come to politics to EXPOSE someone, but to bring a better change, and change is a slow gradual process. One has to use statesmanship to keep going forward without forgetting about the goal.
One point:
IK set a very high bar against corruption. Why did he took items from the Tosha Khana? Even if it was per rule (and it wasn't, he used loophole).
Zardaris and Sharifs are base corrupt, why he even has to come close to this thing?
In the developed World he knows very well, these gifts are auctioned off and proceeds go to welfare.

On Toshakhana, you are factually wrong.
Imran Khan paid for the gift strictly according to the rules that existed at the time, rules that were used by every prime minister before him. There was nothing illegal about it.
More importantly, he did not use that money for personal luxury. The money paid was used to build a road leading to his home and extending to the surrounding village. That road benefits local people; it was not a private indulgence.
If personal gain was his objective, he could have legally taken millions.if not billions of pounds during his divorce from Jemima Goldsmith under British law. He chose not to. That option was entirely legal and entirely personal.
So please don’t confuse dynastic corruptionoffshore accounts, foreign properties, unexplained wealth—with a transaction done under existing law and the proceeds used for public benefit.
If the rule itself should have been different, that is a policy debate.
But calling this corruption is simply incorrect.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

A cult is not the one demanding justice. A cult is the one that justifies massacres in front of Parliament, supports the theft of elections, and tramples the will of the people. A cult is the one that brands national heroes as ‘security risks’ while protecting criminals in uniform and suits.

Those who defend this rot are not patriots they are enablers of Pakistan’s destruction. And voters who knowingly support this system are not victims anymore; they are collaborators against Pakistan

You’re waisting your time on these people, they will never understand you.

صُمٌّۢ بُكۡمٌ عُمۡىٌ فَهُمۡ لَا يَرۡجِعُونَ

They are “Deaf, dumb and blind”

Pakistan’s debt now around $286 billion dollars is the result of one institution alone. It is the product of decades of structural failures, repeated borrowing, and chronic mismanagement. Hulligans have no answer to this.
They want to blame IK for all the problems in Pakistan.

Establishment (Military) has held veto power over economic policy for 70+ years, including:

• Blocking reforms
• Supporting unsustainable projects
• Maintaining a system that benefits elites

Bureaucracy & Elite Networks for enabling:

• Tax evasion
• Corruption
• Inefficient governance


Creating 32 economic Zones will reduce 80% of the corruption and reduce over 70% of government overhead but establishment will never allow it.

 

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Figured you might get a chuckle out of this @Jango @PakAl

SNL couldn't pull this off this well.

 

[VCheng]

What you call a “mistake,” I call intent. He knew exactly what he was doing. He chose confrontation over comfort, exposure over accommodation. He did not miscalculate—he forced masks to fall, exposing every mafia, internal and external, precisely because he refused to play along.

Whether one calls it intent, or a mistake, what is clear is IK's right to decide what he wishes to do. He is responsible for the decisions that he makes, and the consequences thereof, too, good and bad.

 

[newb3e]

You are analysing Imran Khan as if he were an ordinary politician. That is your first and biggest mistake.
What you describe—adjustment, compromise, stepping back, and parliamentary manoeuvring. applies to career politicians, not to a phenomenon. Imran Khan does not fit into textbook models because he is not built from the same material.
What you call a “mistake,” I call intent. He knew exactly what he was doing. He chose confrontation over comfort, exposure over accommodation. He did not miscalculate—he forced masks to fall, exposing every mafia, internal and external, precisely because he refused to play along.
Your analysis assumes he was trying to win within the system. He wasn’t. He was exposing the system. That distinction is beyond the mental framework you are using.
He is not driven by survival instinct, seat arithmetic, or tactical convenience. He is driven by conviction. That is why your analysis keeps failing. you cannot judge a leader who refuses to normalise injustice using the tools designed for transactional politics.
You speak of “wisdom” as accommodation with murder, stolen mandates, and the crushing of public will. That may be wisdom in the world of deals and compromises. It is not wisdom in the language of history.
Imran Khan is not a politician trying to remain relevant. He is a leader willing to pay a personal price so that certain crimes are never legitimised. You call that rigidity. History calls it character.
You may discuss compromises for others if you wish. Do not project that smallness onto him.
A free man will always appear irrational to those who have learned to live in chains.

for cutiepies and smart fauj33ts a real politicians deceives, lies , surrender, compromises and has no principles!! thats real politicians for good folks on khaki forum! for them human rights and human dignity means nothing just their khaki lords pumping frauds like zardari and nawaz and biloooll and maryam .

they will argue ohh but amraan compromised in 18 yes he did he was wrong ,he accepted he was wrong and now he is paying for his mistake and hopefully uska akhri keera "mulk bhi mera,fauj bhi meri" bhi maar jai ga nai toh ab awaam ya fauj bhi mera ka keera maar daygee!!

fauj sirfbun corrupt generalon ki hai aur haram khanay walli naukri paisha occupiers hai aur kuch nai!

 

[Jango]

Right. Again, I saw a couple of senior Pakistani analysts recently saying that all Imran had to do upon losing the NCM in April 2022 was to walk across the aisle, become the Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly.

Isay yeh mulk itnay salon say bher bakrion ki tarah hi dhakela ja raha hai.

Basically if you get steamrolled over and blatantly wronged, just take it lying down and work with it. Do not raise a voice. Do not protest. Just move along, business as usual. No wonder the doctrine of necessity came into play many times.

Truly a nation of no principles and sheep.

 

[Meengla]

Basically if you get steamrolled over and blatantly wronged, just take it lying down and work with it. Do not raise a voice. Do not protest. Just move along, business as usual. No wonder the doctrine of necessity came into play many times.

What you quoted me mentioned how Imran's fortunes could have been bettter--far better--had he, a product of the military's machinations himself--simply suppressed his mighty ego and walked across the aisle to become The Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly in April 2022. I am confident that Imran and political party's fortunes wouldn't be this bad in that case. Please study the advantages he had in April 2022 and yet he squandered them all.
There is no point sugar coating Imran's own self-destructive tendendies.

 

[VCheng]

Truly a nation of no principles and sheep.

A true leader knows the nation he wishes to lead, and what it is capable of, or not.

IK may be a visionary with lofty ideals and a heart of gold, but all those qualities will not do an iota of good if he has no one able or willing to follow him to wherever he wishes to lead.

A leader incapable of motivating a nation to follow him is not really a leader, by definition. Blaming the nation for not seeing him for the leader that he claims to be is only part of the picture. Part of the responsibility must also lie on the leader himself for not knowing how to lead such a nation.