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[Jango]

That difference you point out is not vast, but minor. How? The REAL similarity that I wish to be concentrated upon is that the villainous perpetrators of interfering illegally in the political process are exactly the SAME.

Again, you are just changing goalposts. No one is denying the perpetrator is the same. But I am sorry, did not see mass scale raids in every city and town and village of Pakistan to pick up not only PTI office bearers but the workers as well, complete form 47 vanished, and so on. Again VC, please call a spade a spade.

Yes, but not only to the PM, and in consultation with the COAS. Both of those two should have been able to work it out beforehand. The differences should have never been allowed to spill out into the public domain in the manner that they did. Both of them are to be blamed for that fiasco.

I think you need to re read the constitution sir and see who the DG reports to.

Indeed. The visit to Russia, and the meeting on the sidelines of UNGA were major factors in doing so. Both events were ill-advised.

And the establishment was fully onboard with it. So why does the fallout rest squarely at IK's feet and he has to be removed for endangering our foreign policy, while the faujis get off scot free?

What miffed them was being excluded in what IK was trying to do, noble as it might have been. More diplomatic tact would not have caused such ruffled feathers to the extent than it did. How can IK not know how the Turks are portrayed in Saudi schoolbooks even to this day, for example? And that is just the beginning. It is almost a repeat of the famous U-turn about IMF that IK pulled, only to realize the reality of Pakistan's situation. Such short-sightedness merely on the basis of noble principles when one simply does not have the strength to even stand on one's two feet is nothing but sheer stupidity.

A man once said, beggars can't be choosers!

 

[Jango]

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So ISI is now orchestrating international thuggery as well?

In before the usual apologists come in "But WhEreeee is D PROOOF?".

DG ISPR says I don't want to hear his name, the govt has warrants out which were rejected, and the interior minister is publicly threatening him, and a week later he gets beat up. What a might coincidence.

 

[Mobius]

So ISI is now orchestrating international thuggery as well?

In before the usual apologists come in "But WhEreeee is D PROOOF?".

DG ISPR says I don't want to hear his name, the govt has warrants out which were rejected, and the interior minister is publicly threatening him, and a week later he gets beat up. What a might coincidence.

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[VCheng]

Again VC, please call a spade a spade.

I am.

I think you need to re read the constitution sir and see who the DG reports to.

How is the process of appointment specified in the Constitution, please educate me. To whom does he report to is a different matter.

(Is this what moving goalposts looks like? )

And the establishment was fully onboard with it. So why does the fallout rest squarely at IK's feet and he has to be removed for endangering our foreign policy, while the faujis get off scot free?

Was it really? Or did IK not even re-evaluate whether going there on the day right after the Ukraine invasion was wise? Or did he, and went anyway?

A man once said, beggars can't be choosers!

What did the man say about the beggar who was planning to bring about a caliphate while sitting in the aircraft provided as charity by the Khaadim-al-Harmain-Sharifain?

 

[Jango]

How is the process of appointment specified in the Constitution, please educate me. To whom does he report to is a different matter.

Yes...he is appointed by the Prime Minister. The notification is issued by Establishment Divison or Cabinet Divison (I have forgotten now, can get it checked tomorrow), but the posting does not originate from GHQ. So, reports to, and is appointed by the PM, both

It's not written in the constitution, but established practice. Basically fauj nay kaha hamari marzi chalti hai, to chalatay rahain gay. Until one guy said wait a minute, I am supposed to appoint the person, so I need to have some say in it.

Was it really? Or did IK not even re-evaluate whether going there on the day right after the Ukraine invasion was wise? Or did he, and went anyway?

I think you need to revisit the timeline of events and all that happened in those days VC. Your facts today have been wrong many times. SMQ out of jail, IK becoming PM after NS. Come on man, don't let hatred get in the way of facts.

I'll give you a hint...it was reevaluated, and it was thought best to continue, BY ALL! You are welcome to dig through archives and ask anyone who was in the know at that time.

What did the man say about the beggar who was planning to bring about a caliphate while sitting in the aircraft provided as charity by the Khaadim-al-Harmain-Sharifain?

Yeah you gonna bring out Pinki Peerni out of the hat next?

 

[VCheng]

It's not written in the constitution, but established practice. Basically fauj nay kaha hamari marzi chalti hai, to chalatay rahain gay. Until one guy said wait a minute, I am supposed to appoint the person, so I need to have some say in it.

So this was the time IK found out that he had to take into account the wishes of those with whom he was happy to on the same page with, or was it later?

I think you need to revisit the timeline of events and all that happened in those days VC. Your facts today have been wrong many times. SMQ out of jail, IK becoming PM after NS.

Yes, I was wrong in assuming SMQ being found not guilty with being out of jail, but Abassi being a PMLN placeholder uafter NS was kicked out, until IK was installed, is only a minor detail. The point that NS was booted out to being IK in still remains.

I'll give you a hint...it was reevaluated, and it was thought best to continue, BY ALL!

Did it occur to you that IK may have been fooled into going, knowing that he would fall for it?

Yeah you gonna bring out Pinki Peerni out of the hat next?

That is a low blow man. I have not needed to bring her in at all. Ever. Her influence on IK is well-known, but I respect IK's right to listen to whatever counsel he thinks is wise. Her personal and religious beliefs are immaterial in our present discussion. Why bring her in when I have never done so?

 

[Jango]

So this was the time IK found out that he had to take into account the wishes of those with whom he was happy to on the same page with, or was it later?

Ah I see we have come to the circular arguments we have become so accustomed to.

Not that hard of a concept to grasp that the DG is appointed by the PM, and reports to the PM. Rest you can keep going around in circles all day.

Did it occur to you that IK may have been fooled into going, knowing that he would fall for it?

Oh so now after establishing that it was not IK's sole decision to go (as was originally insinuated), now we are conjecturing that he was fooled?

I'm sure you've heard the old saying of a saas complaining keh bahu ata goondhtay huay hilti kyun hai

That is a low blow man. I have not needed to bring her in at all. Ever. Her influence on IK is well-known, but I respect IK's right to listen to whatever counsel he thinks is wise. Her personal and religious beliefs are immaterial in our present discussion. Why bring her in when I have never done so?

We were getting there, just needed to give it a few more posts

Nice to have this discussion though.

 

[VCheng]

DG is appointed by the PM, and reports to the PM.

And he did, did he not? What happened after that? What "established practices" was he not aware of when he decided to do so? After all, he was on the same page at that point, was he not?

Oh so now after establishing that it was not IK's sole decision to go

No, that was NOT established. You claimed it and I did not challenge it because it is not relevant since IK was the one who went.

And wait, here IK is listening to the same people that he was going against in appointing the DG ISI? What gives? Or we having our cake and eating it too?

We were getting there, just needed to give it a few more posts

Oh so now you you are prescient about arguments that I have never made before too?

LOL. That is funny indeed.

Nice to have this discussion though.

Of course. We may disagree on many things, but it must never prevent us from having a civilized discussion about it.

Who knows, some other fools in this thread may learn a lesson from our discussion, eh?

You think IK is a great leader suffering from a grave wrong. I can understand that, totally. I think the poor fool was simply not intelligent enough to see that he was just another patsy, but I do agree that those who wronged him are the villains who are still doing what they must not.

The real crux of the matter here is not to fight with each other, when we can both agree who the real criminals are here.

 

[imadul]

On Toshakhana, you are factually wrong.
Imran Khan paid for the gift strictly according to the rules that existed at the time, rules that were used by every prime minister before him. There was nothing illegal about it.
More importantly, he did not use that money for personal luxury. The money paid was used to build a road leading to his home and extending to the surrounding village. That road benefits local people; it was not a private indulgence.
If personal gain was his objective, he could have legally taken millions.if not billions of pounds during his divorce from Jemima Goldsmith under British law. He chose not to. That option was entirely legal and entirely personal.
So please don’t confuse dynastic corruptionoffshore accounts, foreign properties, unexplained wealth—with a transaction done under existing law and the proceeds used for public benefit.
If the rule itself should have been different, that is a policy debate.
But calling this corruption is simply incorrect.

There is a thing we call ethical law. If you are living outside Pakistan and working at a large corporation you know the ethics rules regarding accepting gifts.
In USA, president can accept Gifts below minimal value (≈$480).
He may buy gifts at fair market price.
Imran Khan had put a high bar and then he accepted several gifts. That is an indefensible act. As I said earlier, everyone knows Sharifs and Zardaris have no moral compass, but IK who had set a high bar, his sin is bigger as he was not supposed to even touch it, whether a rule or not. Rules are for powerful to exploit.
Just a sad blemish on IK that will remain forever and for the regime to play their orchestra.

 

[Forsvaret]

Was it really? Or did IK not even re-evaluate whether going there on the day right after the Ukraine invasion was wise? Or did he, and went anyway?

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine had absolutely NOTHING to do with Pakistan. PM IK’s visit to Russia was planned months in advance. Suddenly canceling such a high-level state visit only to please your Abu USA wasn’t wise nor in Pakistan’s best interests…

Who knows, some other fools in this thread may learn a lesson from our discussion, eh?

When a fool like @VCheng refuses to learn anything, what does it say about the other "fools" in this thread, eh?

Did it occur to you that IK may have been fooled into going, knowing that he would fall for it?

Did it ever occur to you that you’re the only REAL fool around here?

 

[Forsvaret]

He may buy gifts at fair market price.
Imran Khan had put a high bar and then he accepted several gifts.

Did IK also accept IDDAT as a gift which he was later charged for & actually convicted by the military establishment?

PTI founder, spouse sentenced to seven years in jail for marrying ‘during Iddat’

Imran, Bushra convicted in Iddat case, too

Ex-PM asserts such cases could not deter him and he would not accept any "deal" with the military establishment.

www.dawn.com

 

[PakAl]

Fawad Ch hopes for Talks, encourages both parties to take one step back.

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Former PTI Aide Shahzad Akbar Assaulted in UK​

Former accountability adviser brutally attacked at Cambridge residence​

News Desk

25 Dec, 2025

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ISLAMABAD: Former adviser to prime minister on accountability and interior Mirza Shahzad Akbar was viciously assaulted at his residence near Cambridge in the United Kingdom on December 24, suffering serious injuries including a broken nose and jaw fracture. According to statements from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf sources, a masked assailant, described as a white male in his mid-twenties to thirties, entered the property and repeatedly punched Akbar in the face before fleeing.

The attacker reportedly returned briefly after initial escape, continuing the assault and even recording video, only departing when Akbar lost consciousness. Family members raised alarm, prompting the assailant to flee permanently. British police responded swiftly, transporting the unconscious Akbar to hospital while securing CCTV footage from the premises for ongoing investigation.

Akbar, who has lived in self-exile in the UK since 2022 following the ouster of the PTI government, detailed the ordeal in subsequent statements. He recounted dozens of blows to the face, emphasising the premeditated nature suggested by the assailant's attire including mask and gloves. PTI officials condemned the incident as a targeted attack linked to Akbar's past role in anti-corruption drives.




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This assault marks the second violent incident against Akbar in the UK, following a 2023 acid attack at his previous Hertfordshire home that caused burns but spared his eyesight. That earlier event led to legal action by Akbar against Pakistani entities, though UK police later closed the case citing lack of traceable suspects.

Political context surrounds the latest attack, with Akbar facing multiple inquiries in Pakistan including the Al Qadir Trust case involving alleged misuse of £190 million repatriated funds. The National Accountability Bureau has pursued assets beyond means allegations, while recent extradition requests were submitted by Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi to UK authorities earlier this month.

PTI leaders expressed grave concern over the safety of exiled dissidents, highlighting potential extraterritorial threats. They noted Akbar's contributions to recovering billions in settled cases during his tenure heading the Assets Recovery Unit, which probed high-profile figures across political spectrums.

British authorities have launched a thorough probe, examining forensic evidence and witness accounts. Hertfordshire or Cambridgeshire police, depending on exact jurisdiction, confirmed receipt of the report and active investigation without disclosing suspect details prematurely.




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Analysts point to escalating risks for Pakistani political exiles in the UK, citing prior cases of threats and assaults on critics abroad. Akbar's case underscores tensions between accountability pursuits and allegations of political victimisation.

The incident has renewed debates on asylum protections and bilateral cooperation on criminal matters between Pakistan and the United Kingdom, especially amid ongoing extradition dialogues.

As investigations proceed, Akbar recuperates while cooperating remotely with authorities, reiterating commitment to transparency despite personal perils faced in exile.

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