PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Hussain]

Wrong thread, my friend.

right thread, shows why MI/AFI/ ISI are good at what they do....

 

[hasssanali8998]

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lmao Ashfaq form Faisalabad go him good

 

[Scorpio]

To take positive out of this news is that it's confirmed 36 are on ordered ..

 

[Ak01]

To take positive out of this news is that it's confirmed 36 are on ordered ..

no it isnt lol, why is this confirmation

 

[Starlord]

Wonder if PAF indeed go for another sq of J-10CE, what role it will be assigned ? Will it be another Air superiority sq ? probably close to Sindh/Karachi Area, or it will be assigned A2G roles as we don't have any long range standoff weapons for F-16's and JF-17's payload capacity is very limited.

 

[Taimoor]

REK may work for targets located near boder, but for strikes that can produce some real strategic impact (like Hitting Ambala, Gowaliar, Delhi, Jodhpur etc.) PAF need both lethality and range. Now, in high intensity conflict, there will be times when enemy AD nodes will be overwhlemed/compromised for certain time period before getting reparied/replaced (as many radars and SAMs are mobile now a days) so, PAF will have to exploit that window of opportunity. In absense of heavy strike fighters like J-16 or F-15s PAF will have to send in a larger package, or multiple missions to decimate a single airbase or C2 center etc. That's the whole point. There is a reason why Boeing is rolling out F-15EX and Russians are churning our SU-35s despite have more advaanced fighters. Same goes for China which is still pursuing H-20 as a strategic progrlam. B-21 Raider is yet another story. We are up against an enemy that has massive land mass.

I think we need to work with Turkey on thermobaric warheads and retrofit in our long range sows like RAAD.

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[kimjongun]

lmao Ashfaq form Faisalabad go him good

It is said that he was a prominent figure in school , was famous for having catfished multiple of his friends and got gbs of free data lol

 

[kimjongun]

I think we need to work with Turkey on thermobaric warheads and retrofit in our long range sows like RAAD.

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They use the bunker buster variant in the SOM cruise missile maybe we can leverage it too

 

[Falcon26]

They use the bunker buster variant in the SOM cruise missile maybe we can leverage it too

I have always been amazed why PAF didn’t induct SOM cruise missile. It’s a conventional next generation cruise missile that was to be the standard standoff weapon of the F-35 before Turkey was kicked out of the program. A JF-17 equipped SOM will be a lethal weapon against naval and ground targets.

 

[hasssanali8998]

why PAF didn’t induct SOM cruise missile.

they had French jet engines , but now turkey has indigenized the jet engines for SOM . Azerbaijan also bought it after the indigenization ( so probably will be equipped with jf17 )

also we already have raad .

 

[Falcon26]

they had French jet engines , but now turkey has indigenized the jet engines for SOM . Azerbaijan also bought it after the indigenization ( so probably will be equipped with jf17 )

also we already have raad .

SOM is a full generation ahead of RAAD. Different leagues. Also, you can not use raad for conventional strikes as it’s nuclear configured. Using raad in a conventional war sends nuclear signaling which creates confusion as the Indians wouldn’t know if it’s nuke tipped or not.

It’s also why you couldn’t use any of your frontline missiles as they were marketed as nuclear capable. It’s why soon after the war, you created a rocket force.

 

[hasssanali8998]

SOM is a full generation ahead of RAAD. Different leagues. Also, you can not use raad for conventional strikes as it’s nuclear configured. Using raad in a conventional war sends nuclear signaling which creates confusion as the Indians wouldn’t know if it’s nuke tipped or not.

yes ofc , i was not trying to say they are comparable but a cash strapped af cant afford to have both . and the French engine would not have allowed us buy it anyways.
but now we know the importance of these ammunitions after may , and as you pointed out separate platforms for nuclear and conventional

 

[HRK]

There is no problem with claims. As I said, the imagery has not been released by Pakistan and so everyone thinks we were not able to hit anything. Now, if Indian commanders know the truth and public doesn't, that is enough for me because they are the ones who decide to wage war and not the masses.

This is not enough .... Think it as a basic difference between the state craft if India and Pakistan .....

In Pakistan Army General could take initiatives and could influence the other segments and arms of administration for the decision of war.

In India it's "civilian pressure groups based on certain Ideology" who influence the defense forces and administration for the initiation of war.

Armed forces of India are not the "main player" in the game of Enmity and ideological hatred against Pakistan it's the political forces and civil influential groups.

Therefore we have to deal with them and have present the scale of destruction caused by us to the Indian armed forces to those groups and political parties to create the deterrence otherwise , after regular interval we would face the Indian imposed limited war and world would become habitual of these limited wars.

There will be no Deterrence in South Asia if India keep imposing limited war at their will and under requirements of their domestic theater

 

[HRK]

Unfortunately, the F-16 is not related to this system. Neither China nor the United States would allow something like this to happen.

The PAF's F-16s can only operate independently, outside of this system.

Here my dear @Michael you are wrong in PAF both western and Chinese assets are in integrated into one network no platform of PAF work in isolation or as stand alone independent system.

PAF success lies in the development of an indigenous system which integrate all system from different origins as part of one big integrated system.

PAF started this project in late 90s

 

[Michael]

Here my dear @Michael you are wrong in PAF both western and Chinese assets are in integrated into one network no platform of PAF work in isolation or as stand alone independent system.

PAF success lies in the development of an indigenous system which integrate all system from different origins as part of one big integrated system.

PAF started this project in late 90s

I cannot accurately express certain technical terms in English. I will use another example instead.

Apple phones and Android phones can communicate and interact with each other on the same network. You can think of this as a common network.

However, there are specific communication modes between Apple phones. These communications are limited to two Apple phones. You can think of this as another type of network.

The situation with the PAF is similar to this phenomenon.

When two J-10CE fighter jets are conducting formation operations, they directly share a lot of avionics system information with each other, such as radar systems, fire control systems, IRST, etc. The J-10CE fighter jet can also directly share a lot of information with the JF-17 series fighter jets. A large amount of data can be exchanged between them.

The same situation occurs between two F-16s.

However, the PAF's J-10CE cannot establish this kind of communication network with the F-16. They can only communicate a small amount of data through public channels or AEW&C. This data flow is insufficient to create a formation combat advantage. Of course, if you consider two fighter jets flying together as formation combat, then you can ignore my point.

The same situation exists with:

The IAF's Rafale and Su-30MKI fighter jets, including the Tejas. These three aircraft cannot achieve this type of communication capability with each other.

The original Su-27/Su-30/Su-35 fighter jets that China imported from Russia initially also lacked this communication capability with other Chinese fighter jets. It was only after we independently reverse-engineered certain systems and installed separate modules that we were able to achieve some of these functions, albeit with limitations.

There's another interesting phenomenon. Due to technical issues, the F-35 fighter jet cannot directly exchange high-bandwidth data with the F-22 fighter jet. They need to communicate through an AEW&C or other communication facilities. It is said that the F-22 is undergoing upgrades to address this issue, but the outcome is still unclear.