Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[PakShaheen_79]

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It hasn't been.
Though I agree with ur points on the lacking in sow department, Rocket along with PAFs own new Sows such as Al Murtajiz, Al rasoob and New SDBs will address the problem.
The thing is pak planners didn't anticipate India escalating to the use of ALCM.
What remains to be seen is what are our options to strike, South and the east India.

Dear look the attachment again. This building is on the right side. Number of car parked, blue roof top etc. are visible differences. I have just posted above few options PAF has for strike in future.

 

[falcon34]

Dear look the attachment again. This building is on the right side. Number of car parked, blue roof top etc. are visible differences. I have just posted above few options PAF has for strike in future.

Bear with me but you have seen the anamoly urself right the may update.
Otherwise I do agree with on all the lines.
I am just giving back to Indians, these arseholes can claim shadows as proof of strikes, we have imagery of 10 buildings missing whilst the imagery of the entire park was updated on may 17.

 

[NA71]

Knowing the PAF strike options....India is actively enhancing its AD capabilities on fast pace....the future engagements will remain at standoff positions .....

Pakistan's only high priority strike option is Hypersonic delivery system....

Air force will play the next round.....this is a new norm...all around.

 

[Oscar]

1. Imagery has been updated of Western command HQ of IAF.
see attachment.
2. Though update happened only in Sep 2025 but this is consistent with images of other sensitive places in India. Adarmpur AFS for example. Areas close to it were updated on 25th May 2025 but the base itself is still showing Sat images from March 2025.
3. At best, this claim of not updating imagery is a circumstantial evidence not a definitive one like Indian Sat imagery of Pakistani bases after being hit shows.
4. Had we actually hit anything of substance on 10th May on any Indian installation, some intl. space agencies would have picked that. Failed Balakot strike images also appeared through Planet Lab first back in 2019.
5. Time to discuss how to improve our SOW/Deep strike capabilities. Massive operational gaps exist there viz-a-viz IAF/IA.

Which is what makes the following a logical conclusion.
PAF was able to by its missions create through plain "suppression" a corridor of relative air superiority for semi unhindered operation against Indian targets it had selected. The safe corridor(s) was within India proper out of range of long range Indian surface to air systems and by the IAF self grounding itself out of self-preservation against its inability to counter the PL-15 threat.

Due to lack of suitable and accurate weaponry(coupled with Indian spoofing and EW efforts) and partly due to heavy medium range coverage around many key Indian targets many of these strike packages launched by Pakistan using unmanned systems failed to actually hit their intended targets or achieve what were AHQ original goals. Stating "we had a lock on a A-50 but held off to save India's face" has less of "restraint" and more of "We would have probably lost an asset trying".

However, their very presence within India and vicinity impacts did lead Indian planners to originally believe(by the fact that their own ordnance at times ended up hitting within their facilities based on the sheer numbers launched especially of legacy Sa-3 and Akash systems) they had taken substantial damage which created consternation during initial diplomatic negotiations with international interlocutors. Pakistan on the other hand was assuming weapon hits as semi successful but its lack of BDA especially after Maxar and other operators were specifically denying its requests versus India's(this is even documented through emails by Pakistan and monitored via imaging satellite flybys and positions) pushed it to continue spinning its positive narrative(critics of this can be given a shut up call considering the ridiculous claims of Lahore port or 7 PAF aircraft shot down by a shut off SAM system)

By the time India realized that it was still well in the fight and was seeing some success with its CMs - negotiations were already underway with arms being twisted to end the conflict.

 

[falcon34]

Knowing the PAF strike options....India is actively enhancing its AD capabilities on fast pace....the future engagements will remain at standoff positions .....

ARFC and the PAF, but I hope PAF gets to use it's Cruise missiles, Raad, Al rasoob and al Murtajiz.

Pakistan's only high priority strike option is Hypersonic delivery system....

Air force will play the next round.....this is a new norm...all around.

Subsonic ones will the most damage, CM400 and possible the YJ21 with J10C will be used against indian AD, while F4s, Radars, Al rasoob types will have majority of the fun.
Next round won't be Air to air focused, indians in their wildest dreams would never come near 150-200kms of the pak border.
It will be A2G. Let's just hope next time they use those big guns

 

[kimjongun]

Pakistan on the other hand was assuming weapon hits as semi successful but its lack of BDA especially after Maxar and other operators were specifically denying its requests versus India's(this is even documented through emails by Pakistan and monitored via imaging satellite flybys and positions)

So basically...maxar was biased in providing images...

 

[falcon34]

Which is what makes the following a logical conclusion.
PAF was able to by its missions create through plain "suppression" a corridor of relative air superiority for semi unhindered operation against Indian targets it had selected. The safe corridor(s) was within India proper out of range of long range Indian surface to air systems and by the IAF self grounding itself out of self-preservation against its inability to counter the PL-15 threat.

Due to lack of suitable and accurate weaponry(coupled with Indian spoofing and EW efforts) and partly due to heavy medium range coverage around many key Indian targets many of these strike packages launched by Pakistan using unmanned systems failed to actually hit their intended targets or achieve what were AHQ original goals. Stating "we had a lock on a A-50 but held off to save India's face" has less of "restraint" and more of "We would have probably lost an asset trying".

However, their very presence within India and vicinity impacts did lead Indian planners to originally believe(by the fact that their own ordnance at times ended up hitting within their facilities based on the sheer numbers launched especially of legacy Sa-3 and Akash systems) they had taken substantial damage which created consternation during initial diplomatic negotiations with international interlocutors. Pakistan on the other hand was assuming weapon hits as semi successful but its lack of BDA especially after Maxar and other operators were specifically denying its requests versus India's(this is even documented through emails by Pakistan and monitored via imaging satellite flybys and positions) pushed it to continue spinning its positive narrative(critics of this can be given a shut up call considering the ridiculous claims of Lahore port or 7 PAF aircraft shot down by a shut off SAM system)

By the time India realized that it was still well in the fight and was seeing some success with its CMs - negotiations were already underway with arms being twisted to end the conflict.

You previously mentioned F4 being used, Did the use of a CM shook India up and how well did it perform.

 

[kimjongun]

From the looks of it...I think India is building underground pens/launchers for its s400 ADS at BHUJ AFS (WHICH HAS S400 DEPLOYMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND AS OF FEB 2025 S400 SUB SYSTEMS WERE SEEN IN SAT IMAGERY).
It has a network of pathways for which the TELs can take to get to the underground Hardened launch buildings WHICH ARE 3 and another building to the north of them:

This building is unique IMO and has two shafts leading from it...which is similar to an israeli arrow 3 Hardened TEL storage/shelter:

India is probably heavily impressed by israeli protection of its ad and the chinese Survellince of its AD assests thus a facilty would be needed to make the enemy guess which one to hit...

This is just a heavy wet dream and speculation from my side.. I could be totally wrong and this could just be a weapons storage...feel free to correct me and share what you think this is....
regards

 

[Ibbi32]

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From the looks of it...I think India is building underground pens/launchers for its s400 ADS at BHUJ AFS (WHICH HAS S400 DEPLOYMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND AS OF FEB 2025 S400 SUB SYSTEMS WERE SEEN IN SAT IMAGERY).
It has a network of pathways for which the TELs can take to get to the underground Hardened launch buildings WHICH ARE 3 and another building to the north of them:
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This building is unique IMO and has two shafts leading from it...which is similar to an israeli arrow 3 Hardened TEL storage/shelter:
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India is probably heavily impressed by israeli protection of its ad and the chinese Survellince of its AD assests thus a facilty would be needed to make the enemy guess which one to hit...

This is just a heavy wet dream and speculation from my side.. I could be totally wrong and this could just be a weapons storage...feel free to correct me and share what you think this is....
regards

Bad news if thats the case as Pakistan has rather limited anti bunker weapons.

 

[Panzerkiel]

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From the looks of it...I think India is building underground pens/launchers for its s400 ADS at BHUJ AFS (WHICH HAS S400 DEPLOYMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND AS OF FEB 2025 S400 SUB SYSTEMS WERE SEEN IN SAT IMAGERY).
It has a network of pathways for which the TELs can take to get to the underground Hardened launch buildings WHICH ARE 3 and another building to the north of them:
View attachment 167937 View attachment 167936
This building is unique IMO and has two shafts leading from it...which is similar to an israeli arrow 3 Hardened TEL storage/shelter:
View attachment 167938 View attachment 167939
India is probably heavily impressed by israeli protection of its ad and the chinese Survellince of its AD assests thus a facilty would be needed to make the enemy guess which one to hit...

This is just a heavy wet dream and speculation from my side.. I could be totally wrong and this could just be a weapons storage...feel free to correct me and share what you think this is....
regards

Considering what happened at Bhuj....this ought to be justified.

 

[Panzerkiel]

Something definitely happened thats why they are going for this.

 

[hasssanali8998]

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Something definitely happened thats why they are going for this.

sounds like a clickbait article

 

[NA71]

ARFC and the PAF, but I hope PAF gets to use it's Cruise missiles, Raad, Al rasoob and al Murtajiz.

Subsonic ones will the most damage, CM400 and possible the YJ21 with J10C will be used against indian AD, while F4s, Radars, Al rasoob types will have majority of the fun.
Next round won't be Air to air focused, indians in their wildest dreams would never come near 150-200kms of the pak border.
It will be A2G. Let's just hope next time they use those big guns

Next round....Indian main asset would be Bhamos 1 & 2 .....Air and Groynd launch or may be From sea....limiting PAF response....

 

[Ali_Baba]

"Subroto Park" is home to the HQ Western Air Command.

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I am pretty sure that PAF/ISI will have done some battlefield damage assessment by getting some local friends to drive up to the park and taking some pictures already.

The issues is not the degree of the physical damage itself, but to pride that one of their very main AHQ bases got hit itself, the messaging itself of we can reach out this far and touch these set of buildings if we wanted to, and to do it with some more love and attention.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I am pretty sure that PAF/ISI will have done some battlefield damage assessment by getting some local friends to drive up to the park and taking some pictures already.

The issues is not the degree of the physical damage itself, but to pride that one of their very main AHQ bases got hit itself, the messaging itself of we can reach out this far and touch these set of buildings if we wanted to, and to do it with some more love and attention.

The bigger question people should ask is what happened to Indian air defences?