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From strict operational point of view, there is no problem in this approach by Pakistan. Joint Ops means all forces (land, air, sea, space, cyber) work in unisome but this creates a serious perception management problem. Now, after this realization from your side, what must I do with claims of Air Cdr, (R) Khalid Chishti sahib who told after May conflict that on 10th May, within 4-5 hours, PAF threw more ordinance on Indian targets than it could manage in 17 days of 1965? He then continued that it was his initial calculations and then he confirmed this from AHQ as well. And he repeated this in his multiple interviews. Now it is evident, it was not true even if we combine the PA and PAF engagements of enemy targets on that particular day. This kind of narrative building leads to natural questions about proofs etc. It is not that we have some kind of anti-PAF agenda here.
A bit of exaggeration is par for the course...... after losing 7 aircrafts India would not have backed off unless something more devastating had not happened...if it was the downing of just 7 aircrafts Pakistan's stature wouldn't have risen to level where it's now.
 
A bit of exaggeration is par for the course...... after losing 7 aircrafts India would not have backed off unless something more devastating had not happened...if it was the downing of just 7 aircrafts Pakistan's stature wouldn't have risen to level where it's now.
S400s and Subroto park knocked India back to senses.
 
From strict operational point of view, there is no problem in this approach by Pakistan. Joint Ops means all forces (land, air, sea, space, cyber) work in unisome but this creates a serious perception management problem. Now, after this realization from your side, what must I do with claims of Air Cdr, (R) Khalid Chishti sahib who told after May conflict that on 10th May, within 4-5 hours, PAF threw more ordinance on Indian targets than it could manage in 17 days of 1965? He then continued that it was his initial calculations and then he confirmed this from AHQ as well. And he repeated this in his multiple interviews. Now it is evident, it was not true even if we combine the PA and PAF engagements of enemy targets on that particular day. This kind of narrative building leads to natural questions about proofs etc. It is not that we have some kind of anti-PAF agenda here.
It is best if you ask this question to him because I don't agree with this assessment.
I have no problem with any idea but I am not part of this narrative building from either side. I think stating facts is enough without any exaggeration to convince people.
 
Raad or something more along the line of ALBM?.

Do we really need new F16s? If it's to become bomb truck than Akinjis and S2 would do the job at cheaper cost with Al-rasoob. Even the Americans themselves cleared pak won't be getting any C7s
Where did they say they will not offer C7s to Pakistan?

If you are referring to recent AMRAAM sales order briefing in which Pakistan was mentioned, that was never meant to be Pakistan procuring C7s.........if and when Pakistan goes for V upgrades, it is almost guaranteed PAF will go for it only if D3 or C7 AMRAAMs are also offered and it will make sense only to get the AMRAAMs when the Radar and mission computer upgrades are approved.

Why would you even want to have new missiles? They are very costing....at 1.5 million to 2 million USD per piece!!


I think some interesting things are happened in Pakistan's diplomatic circles...and they are building the case step by step for V upgrades because there is persistent nagging and bitch crying from the shit sniffing neighbors on our east.
 
This is the argument has been had for ages. Please see my earlier post in the F-16 thread on the subject for information. I would kindly request to please dispute it technically and with figures if you wish to do so. I cannot reply to "I don't like the US relationship" or plain emotional discourse.

Here is a summary:
Pakistan has operated the F-16 for more than 40 years. That alone should give pause to anyone casually suggesting a wholesale replacement. Four decades is not just fleet age. It is accumulated investment, sunk cost, institutional muscle memory, and a fully amortized ecosystem that most air forces would hesitate to walk away from.

Pakistan already has hardened shelters, maintenance depots, simulators, ground equipment, software systems, and trained personnel built specifically around the F-16. That investment is already paid for. A new platform does not fit neatly into that structure. It requires new tooling, new diagnostic equipment, new simulators, new software licenses, and often new base modifications. None of this is optional. All of it costs money.

There is also the cost of lost efficiency. Pakistan’s engineers, technicians, and pilots understand the F-16 deeply. They know how it behaves at the edge of the envelope. They know which components fail first in local conditions. They know how to stretch availability during surge operations. That kind of expertise does not show up in procurement spreadsheets, but it has real financial value. Losing it means higher error rates, lower availability, and more expensive maintenance during the early years of a new platform.

If the F-16 were only a bomb truck, then yes, systems like Akinci or the S2 paired with Al-Rasoob make financial sense. Unmanned platforms are cheaper per flight hour, don’t risk pilots, and are well suited for permissive strike roles. For stand-off weapons delivery against fixed targets, they are efficient and increasingly capable.

But the F-16 has never been just a bomb truck in PAF service. Its value sits in air defense, strike escort, counter-air, and high-end deterrence roles. That is where drones, even advanced ones, still fall short. Akinci carrying munitions does not replace a manned fighter with radar, electronic warfare, data fusion, and the ability to dynamically react in contested airspace.

On cost, this is where the argument usually flips. Buying new F-16s is expensive and politically constrained. That is a given. But upgrading existing airframes is a very different financial profile. A deep upgrade package is a fraction of the cost of introducing a new manned fighter type. More importantly, Pakistan already paid for the infrastructure, training, spares, and doctrine around the F-16. Walking away from that ecosystem to replace it with either a new fighter or drones does not save as much money as it appears once sustainment and readiness are factored in.

Drones and fighters are not interchangeable line items. They solve different problems. Akinci can supplement the force. It can take on strike and ISR roles and free up F-16 hours. That actually strengthens the case for keeping the F-16 fleet, because it reduces wear while preserving high-end capability.

On the C7 point, that is not new information. Pakistan was never going to receive the latest F-16 variants. But that does not make the current fleet obsolete. Modern radars, avionics refreshes, electronic warfare upgrades, and weapons integration can keep existing jets credible for another decade or more.

So the real question is not “do we need new F-16s?” It is “do we need to throw away 40 years of sunk cost and institutional experience?” Drones should complement the F-16, not be used as an argument to retire it. The cheapest and most stable option remains upgrading what Pakistan already understands, operates, and can sustain.
Very well explained... on the reality ground this make total sense to keep the existing F16s up to date and relevant as per latest warfare doctrine...

Throwing or replacing them financially and practically not feasible....

On other hand New F16 we can't afford or not make any sense for financial and past experiences wise ...
 
Where did they say they will not offer C7s to Pakistan?

If you are referring to recent AMRAAM sales order briefing in which Pakistan was mentioned, that was never meant to be Pakistan procuring C7s.........if and when Pakistan goes for V upgrades, it is almost guaranteed PAF will go for it only if D3 or C7 AMRAAMs are also offered and it will make sense only to get the AMRAAMs when the Radar and mission computer upgrades are approved.

Why would you even want to have new missiles? They are very costing....at 1.5 million to 2 million USD per piece!!


I think some interesting things are happened in Pakistan's diplomatic circles...and they are building the case step by step for V upgrades because there is persistent nagging and bitch crying from the shit sniffing neighbors on our east.
There is not guarantee that PAF will go for V upgrades...

If they will not offer the C7 or higher variants.. means story of v kits is over for block 52 and no chance of any used airframes procurement...

PAF have economically better options like PL 15 in future PL 17/PL 21 ...

Offcouse they China defense industry is growing.. we don't know what they come up in coming years.. can far better and economical then these limited (old tech ) American option..
 
There is not guarantee that PAF will go for V upgrades...

If they will not offer the C7 or higher variants.. means story of v kits is over for block 52 and no chance of any used airframes procurement...

PAF have economically better options like PL 15 in future PL 17/PL 21 ...

Offcouse they China defense industry is growing.. we don't know what they come up in coming years.. can far better and economical then these limited (old tech ) American option..
F-16s are no longer the top fighter in PAF.... in fact, most likely, JF BLK III will also surpass the V standard as well........the whole idea of getting F-16s V upgrades is to keep existing stock of combat ready fighter jets ready. Read Oscar's post because i don't want to type again on the same issue.

the older MLUs will be retired once J-35s or other 5th Gen are inducted.
 

China’s J-10C Allegedly Seen Carrying YJ-21E Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile for the First Time

Published on: December 27, 2025

The YJ-21E spotted on the J-10C is a smaller variant of the larger YJ-21/KD-21 predominantly spotted on the H-6K bomber, specifically designed for fighter jets and drones.


Please click on the link above, for more details
This is fake news. That was a training weight used in place of a real bomb.

Please stop spreading this information.
 
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