PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[huanghong]

Let's calculate it.

Since the J-10C is equipped with CM-400AKG, it will inevitably require a long-distance raid. So it needs to mount two 800L auxiliary fuel tanks on the inside of its wings.

Then there is the electronic warfare pod, which should be hung below the air intake. And CM-400AKG can only be hung on the central axis of the fuselage.

Attach two PL-10 and two PL-15 self-defense weapons to the wings.

Okay, everything is fully loaded, I haven't calculated the weight yet.

In fact, at the Zhuhai Airshow, the Pakistan Air Force demonstrated a more appropriate loadout configuration: abandoning the 800-liter drop tank under the fuselage and instead mounting two PL-15 missiles and a ground-targeting pod. Meanwhile, under the wings, it would carry two PL-10 missiles, two one-ton-class missiles, and two 1,700-liter drop tanks, resulting in a total aircraft payload of 5.5 tons.

 

[AeronautIR]

Usually, July is Monsoon season, and you as a pilot, know better than me, how it effects flying.
So the idea was pre-Monsoon delivery.
Just speculation / rumors btw

Monsoon can go till 15th September. You can get a window for ferry flight depending upon weather forecast, with an alternate plan for sudden buildup across the route.

 

[AeronautIR]

Due to limited imagery, it's difficult to determine exactly which type of missile it is. However, it cannot be the YJ-21 hypersonic missile or the so-called "miniature" version of the YJ-21 hypersonic missile.

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1. Regarding the missile itself: A hypersonic missile needs sufficient range (>800 km) and sufficient destructive power to be militarily effective. These factors dictate that it cannot be too light. It is generally estimated that the air-launched version of the YJ-21 weighs between 2 and 4 tons.

2. From the image, we can see that the missile is mounted on the second hardpoint of the wing. When a fighter jet carries heavy payloads, it can only use the hardpoints near the wing root or the hardpoints under the fuselage. Mounting a heavy payload on the second hardpoint would put excessive stress on the wing and could easily lead to flight accidents. (@HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR A pilot could probably explain this better.)
When a fighter jet carries a payload on its wings, the further the hardpoint is from the fuselage, the lighter the payload it can carry. Conversely, the closer the hardpoint is to the fuselage, the heavier the payload it can carry.
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The J-10C/CE aircraft has three hardpoints on each wing.

Inner hardpoint:
Has the strongest load-bearing capacity. Typically used for carrying external fuel tanks, heavy air-to-ground munitions, etc.

Middle hardpoint:
Has a medium load-bearing capacity. Typically used for carrying BVR air-to-air missiles, light air-to-ground munitions, electronic warfare pods, etc.

Outer hardpoint:
Has the weakest load-bearing capacity. Typically used for carrying short-range air-to-air combat missiles.
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Therefore, the missile in the image cannot be a hypersonic missile.

I agree with your analysis. Though I have no idea what is it exactly, but the heaviest munitions are carried under fuselage and not wing stations.

I don't know details about YJ-21 but if it is between 2 to 4 tons, it has to be carried on belly hard point like Brahmos on Su-30 MKI. Some people claimed it to be a miniaturised version of <1 ton but I don't know if that's true. If that news is authentic, then a less than 1000kg missile can be carried on inner wing pylons.

Simply put, it all comes down to the exact weight of that version.

 

[AeronautIR]

Pakistan wanted 20. It ordered 20. It got 20.
The end.

I don't know where people got this 36 figure from and why people are so so sure about it.

Though I am new here but I also stated PAF plans with 40 J-10C and 36 J-35.
So let's just wait a year to see if what I was told by a very senior PAF officer was official or not.

 

[AeronautIR]

Previously, in some cases, PAF has had a min Sqdn strength of 18, and a full Sqdn of 36. So to stay relevant, some people have to spread sensationalism, or speculate.

I don't want to spread anything but hopefully we will see another J-10C sqn soon, with 2 J-35 squadrons in due time.

 

[maxpane]

I don't want to spread anything but hopefully we will see another J-10C sqn soon, with 2 J-35 squadrons in due time.

sir j35 with kj500 with full package or just j 35

 

[AeronautIR]

I dont think there is an urgent need for F-35. Do you?

It is not the matter of urgency. We will get it whenever it is ready. It can be 2027 or 2028 for first batch, doesn't matter much.

 

[AeronautIR]

sur j35 with kj500 with full package or just j 35

I think with KJ-500.

 

[AeronautIR]

The J-35 program plans to produce four models: a carrier-based model, an Air Force model, a two-seat model, and an export model.

Currently, only the carrier-based and Air Force models exist, and all production capacity must be allocated to the Chinese military.

My friend, as you know, China needs to strengthen its military presence in the South China Sea. Our enemies are not only Japan and Taiwan Province.

If Pakistan does not face a security threat, such as India acquiring the SU-57 or F-35, I expect Pakistan will not receive this aircraft within five years. There are reports that China has already started building its fourth aircraft carrier.

I agree with you but with plans of mass production by 2026-27 as @Michael has also mentioned above, I can assume delivery of 6-8 aircraft to PAF is easily manageable.

 

[AeronautIR]

It is really funny that enemy has satellite images for its false claims and we have NOTHING for our truth.
Case Closed. No more discussion on May conflict between us. We both have our own truths.
PS: It is not about believing someone; It is about maintaining identical level of verfication and confirmation baise about both sides. No IR theory runs on believe me. We will see how both nations take their decisions and what unfolds in future. Till then, have a nice day.

Done, case closed. We will surely see in future, so no need to worry about believing PAF claims or not.
Cheers

 

[safriz]

We need to watch Afghanistan.
India is now using those Dum Dums as prossy, I mean proxy against Pakistan.
Giving them drones to attack Pakistan.
Looking at Russia Ukraine war, drones can be very dangerous, even against high value military assets .

 

[AeronautIR]

We need to watch Afghanistan.
India is now using those Dum Dums as prossy, I mean proxy against Pakistan.
Giving them drones to attack Pakistan.
Looking at Russia Ukraine war, drones can be very dangerous, even against high value military assets .

I agree with you. Countering the terrorist proxies and urban warfare is even more difficult than fighting with India. There are martyrs almost everyday in West and we have seen more losses to them in comparison with all wars against Eastern neighbor.

 

[Ak01]

Buying new F-16 fighters is foolish. Pakistan must put full effort in acquiring J-35 fighters. The air force already has access to JF-17 and J-10C. The only argument that makes sense is to upgrade the existing F-16 fleet.

ok, then make a coherent response to the points @Oscar raised.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Though I am new here but I also stated PAF plans with 40 J-10C and 36 J-35.
So let's just wait a year to see if what I was told by a very senior PAF officer was official or not.

I believe that Pakistan at some point will likely buy further J-10Cs as well as J-35s but people saying Pakistan had already placed an order for 36 instead of 20 J-10Cs all the way back in 2021, is hard to believe.

LImited publicly available information I have gleaned is as follows:

Date​	Event​
30/06/2021​	Contract signed.
04/03/2022​	First batch of 6 delivered.
30/08/2022​	Second batch of 4 delivered.
04/01/2024​	Third batch of 10 delivered.

 

[AeronautIR]

I believe that Pakistan at some point will likely buy further J-10Cs as well as J-35s but people saying Pakistan had already placed an order for 36 instead of 20 J-10Cs all the way back in 2021, is hard to believe.

LImited publicly available information I have gleaned is as follows:

Date​	Event​
30/06/2021​	Contract signed.
04/03/2022​	First batch of 6 delivered.
30/08/2022​	Second batch of 4 delivered.
04/01/2024​	Third batch of 10 delivered.

I don't know anything about that, though Sheikh Rasheed's media interview claiming 25 aircraft may have added to confusion.

I asked DCAS(Ops) regarding statement of CAS from a couple years ago about "groundwork has been laid for induction of 5th gen in PAF" and he gave me these numbers.

I actually asked him again whether 36 is number for J-10 and 40 for J-35. He said it is the other way around. Now, it wasn't a formal statement so that is why I am myself waiting for some evidence of a deal to surface.
But I am hopeful to see 40 J-10C in PAF in a year or so.