Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[NA71]

just normal mosques retard

Tumba is a new trolling agent ...posting only bakwas ....Ignorance is the effective treatment.

 

[NA71]

There were massive strikes on May 10 which yielded India appreciable propaganda materials and visuals.

India is routinely testing the limits to see how far it can go while ensuring the Pakistan army generals are within their “restraint and maturity” bubble.

very true....

Pakistan must come out of this “restraint and maturity” bubble....or there would be no response time available

 

[Liquidator]

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just wanted your opinion. i believe he is pro india . He cant believe rafale can be shot down

We will have an uphill battle getting amateur YouTube analysts (I'll include US pilots that make YouTube videos) to accept our narrative. They are incredibly arrogant. If you watch their analysis of Chinese aircraft they still behave as though it's the 1980s when the USA was at its peak in terms of non-parity. Nobody else came close. Those days are over and even Iran can bypass the most advanced American AD systems on the planet, despite what our resident loyal goys claim.

They are naturally inclined towards India, European superiority etc and also hate Muslims in general.

So, essentially they are "coping" with a Muslim nation beating non-muslim western allies using state of the art western tech with predominantly Chinese hardware.

This air battle isn't spoken about publicly for this reason alone....COPE. Hopefully, there is more cope to come in the coming decades as the trajectory is clear.

 

[Yasser76]

I don’t usually post here because most of what I see feels disconnected from reality. People are living in false pictures sold by politicians, with both sides claiming, “We won” or “No, we won."

The truth is simpler: no one really won. Both sides gained a few things and lost a few things. Both sides also exposed new vulnerabilities.

I’m sharing this video because I agree with what he’s saying. I won’t be joining any further discussion or debate. Thanks.

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Nope, one side got its ass handed to it on a silver platter.

That the same debate Pakistan won at the Oxford Union after Indian diplomats withdrew?

 

[maxpane]

We will have an uphill battle getting amateur YouTube analysts (I'll include US pilots that make YouTube videos) to accept our narrative. They are incredibly arrogant. If you watch their analysis of Chinese aircraft they still behave as though it's the 1980s when the USA was at its peak in terms of non-parity. Nobody else came close. Those days are over and even Iran can bypass the most advanced American AD systems on the planet, despite what our resident loyal goys claim.

They are naturally inclined towards India, European superiority etc and also hate Muslims in general.

So, essentially they are "coping" with a Muslim nation beating non-muslim western allies using state of the art western tech with predominantly Chinese hardware.

This air battle isn't spoken about publicly for this reason alone....COPE. Hopefully, there is more cope to come in the coming decades as the trajectory is clear.

As a professional they should show unbiased review. they are using their professsion and spread lie. they dnt even have an onous of shame

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Air Commodore Khalid had made a claim that Pakistan fired/dropped more ammunition in 3 days than the entire 1965 war. He claims to have got inputs from insiders. He seems to have spoken to higher ups at the Headquarters before doubling down on this claim.

I remember most members on this forum also being gung-ho about this aspect. Probably, this was due to assumption that so much of TNT is bound to have caused a lot of damage. Everyone was expecting that some solid proof is just around the corner. As the reality seems to dawned and no proof is forthcoming, very same people now want to distance themselves from that “more tonnage than 1965” claim.

Whatever the tonnage, there is no doubt that attacks against Indian ground targets didn’t go as envisaged. Other than “trust me bro” and “I am telling you” there is no proof. There is likely to be some damage but insignificant to say the least.

Pakistan did lay a solid punch initially and created a surprise for the Indian forces. They seemed to have pushed them back very well on 7th May. The advantage gained wasn’t used thereafter as no tangible and verifiable success against ground targets this side could be produced. Except “trust me bro” and “we will produce it when right time comes”. It ain’t coming folks.

Then comes the mudda of ceasefire. Why did Modi agree to one if he was on the front foot? Why did he agree if he was doing so well?

Corollary - Why did Munir agree if he was really hammering India so well? Why did Munir went for NCAC meeting without using better missiles than F1 and F2? After all, so many members are claiming that India used their best missile while Pakistan didn’t? What made them go for nuclear signalling straight from F1 and F2? What happened to intermediate escalation ladders?

The reason is that, no side had appetite for any escalation and a full fledged war. There were professionals on both sides who had their head level and knew what were the possibilities. They must have advised to stand down. BOTH sides.

India lost few fighters but salvaged a little by producing those satellite images. Pakistan got bigger pie of the narrative by shooting down few fighters.

Both sides were exposed with massive holes in their armour, which to my mind is more damning for India considering the size of the economy and the defence forces. 7th May was a s##t show by them. Poor planning, intelligence and execution.

Pakistan realised that potent AD and capable missiles are a must. Using Fatah class of weapons and then crying that we could have used Raad etc was pathetic. No one stopped anyone from using whatever was required to get the results. Why did you use PL-15 on day one? Because it was required to achieve the desired result.

Wasn’t CM400 used too? It was also used as it was deemed necessary. If Fatah was not producing the expected results then why not go few levels up. CM400 can be fired but no other missile better than Fatah? What a hollow and cry baby argument. This was a failure and not a virtue as being claimed by scores of members. This exposed that Pakistan didn’t have the required capability to carry out BDA in real time and make a pivot if required.

One more issue about satellite images. First images for damage at Nur Khan base were published by a Chinese service provider. The argument that India doesn’t allow anyone to take high res images is a hollow one. There are at least 5-6 Chinese agencies that provide sub-metric satellite images to any buyer. And India can’t do s##t to these companies. ISPR is bound to have procured all the images as required, but decided to stand down after analysing them and left it to the imagination of “trust me bro” brigade to fight their cause.

Overall, there was no clear loss or gain for anyone militarily.

As side benefits, Munir got his one extra star. Sidhu got his extension. Modi seems to be just rubbing his palms as of now.

I was surprised that they chose to launch Fatah missiles and when, after the CM-400, which turned out to be failures, they didn't opt for the Babur cruise missiles. whn india was launching BrahMos, Pakistan must have tried it

In the end, despite Chinese monitoring and reportedly attempting to capture destruction footage for propaganda at Indian bases, they ended up publishing evidence that highlighted the damage within Pakistan itself.

 

[Liquidator]

As a professional they should show unbiased review. they are using their professsion and spread lie. they dnt even have an onous of shame

It's unconscious bias with a hint of fascist ideology and exceptionalism (they are the superior more deserving race, so any terror at their hands is good / justified terror).

 

[Panzerkiel]

I can only laugh at you right now.

The cost to benefit ratio of these strikes
was remarkably poor. I am sure deep inside, a lot of Indians are mourning over the loss of the Rafales.

India's current administration country appears to be exerting an influence over the military that has compromised operational standards whether you like it or not, specifically the failure to conduct SEAD/ DEAD before launching attack. Not sure what else you were expecting.

Yet again, our position remains consistent throughout and we prioritize an immediate ceasefire. Also, contrary to what you said our counter response created a significant strategic dilemma that ultimately forced the Modi administration to deescalate. Deny all you like, but you ended up walking back with your tails between your legs.

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As mentioned before...

Post in thread 'PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...h-ii-news-updates-discussions.288/post-718501

Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'

May 10, 2025

Bholari and Shehbaz hit afterwards

Yes, and we followed with our own next wave...

• Panzerkiel

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[Panzerkiel]

Tumba is a new trolling agent ...posting only bakwas ....Ignorance is the effective treatment.

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[Yasser76]

I was surprised that they chose to launch Fatah missiles and when, after the CM-400, which turned out to be failures, they didn't opt for the Babur cruise missiles. whn india was launching BrahMos, Pakistan must have tried it

In the end, despite Chinese monitoring and reportedly attempting to capture destruction footage for propaganda at Indian bases, they ended up publishing evidence that highlighted the damage within Pakistan itself.

Yeah, nothing says S-400 victory better then begging the Russians for a replacement

 

[hasssanali8998]

Yeah, nothing says S-400 victory better then begging the Russians for a replacement

no saar we bought because it was soo good saaar

 

[NA71]

 

[falcon34]

Air Commodore Khalid had made a claim that Pakistan fired/dropped more ammunition in 3 days than the entire 1965 war. He claims to have got inputs from insiders. He seems to have spoken to higher ups at the Headquarters before doubling down on this claim.

I remember most members on this forum also being gung-ho about this aspect. Probably, this was due to assumption that so much of TNT is bound to have caused a lot of damage. Everyone was expecting that some solid proof is just around the corner. As the reality seems to dawned and no proof is forthcoming, very same people now want to distance themselves from that “more tonnage than 1965” claim.

Whatever the tonnage, there is no doubt that attacks against Indian ground targets didn’t go as envisaged. Other than “trust me bro” and “I am telling you” there is no proof. There is likely to be some damage but insignificant to say the least.

Pakistan did lay a solid punch initially and created a surprise for the Indian forces. They seemed to have pushed them back very well on 7th May. The advantage gained wasn’t used thereafter as no tangible and verifiable success against ground targets this side could be produced. Except “trust me bro” and “we will produce it when right time comes”. It ain’t coming folks.

Then comes the mudda of ceasefire. Why did Modi agree to one if he was on the front foot? Why did he agree if he was doing so well?

Corollary - Why did Munir agree if he was really hammering India so well? Why did Munir went for NCAC meeting without using better missiles than F1 and F2? After all, so many members are claiming that India used their best missile while Pakistan didn’t? What made them go for nuclear signalling straight from F1 and F2? What happened to intermediate escalation ladders?

The reason is that, no side had appetite for any escalation and a full fledged war. There were professionals on both sides who had their head level and knew what were the possibilities. They must have advised to stand down. BOTH sides.

India lost few fighters but salvaged a little by producing those satellite images. Pakistan got bigger pie of the narrative by shooting down few fighters.

Both sides were exposed with massive holes in their armour, which to my mind is more damning for India considering the size of the economy and the defence forces. 7th May was a s##t show by them. Poor planning, intelligence and execution.

Pakistan realised that potent AD and capable missiles are a must. Using Fatah class of weapons and then crying that we could have used Raad etc was pathetic. No one stopped anyone from using whatever was required to get the results. Why did you use PL-15 on day one? Because it was required to achieve the desired result.

Wasn’t CM400 used too? It was also used as it was deemed necessary. If Fatah was not producing the expected results then why not go few levels up. CM400 can be fired but no other missile better than Fatah? What a hollow and cry baby argument. This was a failure and not a virtue as being claimed by scores of members. This exposed that Pakistan didn’t have the required capability to carry out BDA in real time and make a pivot if required.

as per the admission of your own airchief munitions Struck S400, why haven't we got that satellite imagery, you got deep pockets it helps you people buy out others.

One more issue about satellite images. First images for damage at Nur Khan base were published by a Chinese service provider. The argument that India doesn’t allow anyone to take high res images is a hollow one. There are at least 5-6 Chinese agencies that provide sub-metric satellite images to any buyer. And India can’t do s##t to these companies. ISPR is bound to have procured all the images as required, but decided to stand down after analysing them and left it to the imagination of “trust me bro” brigade to fight their cause.

Then explain why Google earth updated entire Subroto park to 17 may satellite imagery but left 10 buildings to 31 march imagery?

Overall, there was no clear loss or gain for anyone militarily.

Really, Rafales, migs, Sus, mirages and S400.
In words of your Airchief "munitions fell at the S400 positions" (was S400 there or not it's debatable but there is no doubt S400s positions were blasted.
One side used had all it's doctrines verified other side used everything at it's disposal and couldn't do shit.

 

[falcon34]

As mentioned before...

Post in thread 'PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...h-ii-news-updates-discussions.288/post-718501

Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'

May 10, 2025

Bholari and Shehbaz hit afterwards

Yes, and we followed with our own next wave...

• Panzerkiel

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And the targets of the strikes were??, it be quite easy to verify, my check any Indian military site that hasn't had its imagery updated in may took hits

 

[Hussain]

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