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rafale said:
But J-10s already got the top kills that even USA doesn't posses..............so point being, both assets did their job and will continue to do their job.
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Begging your pardon, but the US does not possess top kills like the EuroFighter Typhoon or the SAAB Gripen either..., for the very reason that it has't gone to WAR with any Nation that operates those particular Aircrafts.

Rest assure, the day comes when an adversary gets any of those jets - you can be sure that the US will throw everything in their arsenal to make a statement.

Now - when I spoke of the J-10c OR even the JF-17, you mistoke my statement as they aren't good enough.

The J-10c fired a few BVR from miles ahead. Those PL-15's were guided. There was no A2A Dogfight involved. The J-10c didn't out maneuver its competition.

The Member whom I questioned, labelled the F-16 as "Junk". Seriously?!!

I'm not going to insult the person about his knowledge on Fighter Jets, but would ask if he do some homework prior to making such remarks.

The day a JF-17 or J-10c avoids 6 SAM's in one sortie over enemy airspace - i'll personally make a LEGENDS video on that bird.

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rafale said:
I think the days of fighter to fighter combat in Indo Pak scenario are over....
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You truly believe that?

If so, you're just underestimating the Enemy.

Sure, back in 2019 they did exactly what they did last year in May. Lob Bombs/SoW's. One can't rule out that they'd change their tactics in the future.

And when push comes to shove - in a full scale War, don't expect that they'll just be shooting BVR's.

...and lets say for sheer Entertainment, assuming our adversary truly are...puss!es. What if PAF takes the fight to them in their backyard. What, you think they'll turn around in their own air space & go to furthest Base in the East.

No, A2A is still there & will remain. Chances are possibly slim to none, but I sure as hell won't rule it out & I can assure you of 1 thing right now - The PAF won't either.
 
falcon34 said:
Apart from the 8 aircraft written off they are at least 5-7 more that got damaged.
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Rule is to increase one aircraft per month. We started with 4 aircraft in May. By Dec end, the number should be 4 + 7 =11.

You have already increased it to 15. That isn’t fair.
 
rafale said:
But J-10s already got the top kills that even USA doesn't posses..............so point being, both assets did their job and will continue to do their job.
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really...? i hope you're joking
 
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Oh cool, I didn't know that The STRATCOM Bureau had posted my video without informing me.

Seems like I may have to have a word with'em.
 
Trailer23 said:
Begging your pardon, but the US does not possess top kills like the EuroFighter Typhoon or the SAAB Gripen either..., for the very reason that it has't gone to WAR with any Nation that operates those particular Aircrafts.

Rest assure, the day comes when an adversary gets any of those jets - you can be sure that the US will throw everything in their arsenal to make a statement.

Now - when I spoke of the J-10c OR even the JF-17, you mistoke my statement as they aren't good enough.

The J-10c fired a few BVR from miles ahead. Those PL-15's were guided. There was no A2A Dogfight involved. The J-10c didn't out maneuver its competition.

The Member whom I questioned, labelled the F-16 as "Junk". Seriously?!!

I'm not going to insult the person about his knowledge on Fighter Jets, but would ask if he do some homework prior to making such remarks.

The day a JF-17 or J-10c avoids 6 SAM's in one sortie over enemy airspace - i'll personally make a LEGENDS video on that bird.

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You truly believe that?

If so, you're just underestimating the Enemy.

Sure, back in 2019 they did exactly what they did last year in May. Lob Bombs/SoW's. One can't rule out that they'd change their tactics in the future.

And when push comes to shove - in a full scale War, don't expect that they'll just be shooting BVR's.

...and lets say for sheer Entertainment, assuming our adversary truly are...puss!es. What if PAF takes the fight to them in their backyard. What, you think they'll turn around in their own air space & go to furthest Base in the East.

No, A2A is still there & will remain. Chances are possibly slim to none, but I sure as hell won't rule it out & I can assure you of 1 thing right now - The PAF won't either.
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You completely mis-interpreted my post.....and that too literally.

USAF doesn't have any kills against its peer competitor or next peer competitor....in that case it is either the Russians or China. Until that happens I rest my case. Sure they have the tech, tactics and funding......but again, anything can happen in air combat.

Pakistan went up against an enemy many times bigger than itself and came out on top in that specific battle. Sure IAF can do a lot with the number of assets it has, but when the battle changed from ground strike to AA combat, they failed to change their tactics right in the air.


Also I am not underestimating my enemy, I am just seeing the plausible chance that they actually learn......and am actually interested in knowing why they keep on doing the same thing again and again. On paper they have better assets anyway.
 
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