Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[maverik]

This AI slop is terrible.

Again a weathered roof and panel missing from a shed, there are also panels missing from a hangar at Masroor, are we going to say that Masroor was hit by drones? There are also similar roof discolorations at our bases, this doesn't mean anything.

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[Oscar]

This AI slop is terrible.

Again a weathered roof and panel missing from a shed, there are also panels missing from a hangar at Masroor, are we going to say that Masroor was hit by drones? There are also similar roof discolorations at our bases, this doesn't mean anything.

AI slop all matters on the context of the post and the model:

This is Adampur - 2026 Maxar.

Here is the prompt: "
This is a post disaster photo - what horrific accident happened here"

I gave it to ChatGPT which says:
To identify an actual disaster or accident, at least one of the following is required:

• Location and approximate date
• A “before” image for comparison
• A credible source or report referencing an incident
• Ground-level imagery or eyewitness context

Same to Gemini with the exact same prompt and it says:

"The image you’ve shared shows the aftermath of the Sknyliv air show disaster, which occurred on July 27, 2002, at Sknyliv airfield near Lviv, Ukraine. It remains the deadliest air show accident in history.

The Event​

During an aerobatics display, a Ukrainian Air Force Sukhoi Su-27 piloted by two experienced pilots performed a rolling maneuver at too low an altitude. The aircraft clipped the ground, struck a stationary plane, and then plowed into a crowd of spectators before exploding.

Analysis of the Image​

The satellite view captures the grim reality of the crash site:

• Debris Field: You can see the dark, scorched earth and scattered wreckage where the aircraft disintegrated across the tarmac.
• Camouflage Patterns: The green and blue pixelated patterns on the rooftops and nearby areas are characteristic of Ukrainian military installations and hardware from that era.
• The Tarmac: The wide concrete areas are the spectator and flight line zones where thousands of people had gathered to watch the show.

The Aftermath​

The disaster resulted in 77 deaths (including 28 children) and over 500 injuries. Both pilots successfully ejected just seconds before the final impact and survived, though they were later sentenced to prison for negligence and failure to follow the flight plan."

 

[flyingorca]

This AI slop is terrible.

Again a weathered roof and panel missing from a shed, there are also panels missing from a hangar at Masroor, are we going to say that Masroor was hit by drones? There are also similar roof discolorations at our bases, this doesn't mean anything.

Yeah you are right, the concrete roof should have been blown to bits like they show in bollywood movies but when 4 Spice2000 at 1,000lbs each hits a thin metal sheet roof structure in Balakot, it only causes ZERO damage.

 

[Oscar]

Yeah you are right, the concrete roof should have been blown to bits like they show in bollywood movies but when 4 Spice2000 at 1,000lbs each hits a thin metal sheet roof structure in Balakot, it only causes ZERO damage.

That is too sheepish a reply.
Just see my post above - the issue isnt the image being slop or not but that getting AI to interpret it or assuming terrain features, shadows or otherwise to be burn marks or VICE VERSA - without on the ground context is a mistake.

Do you know the story of the M-50 bounder bomber?
When the images first emerged of the M-50 bounder to the CIA they were taken from the front with a telephoto lens.

The CIA brief estimated it to be a short stubby aircraft with limited munitions capacity and provided all sorts of performance estimates to the USAF which in turn laid out it's threat assessment.

Then this airplane appeared.

Which part of it is short and stubby?
What the analysts then got right was it had a delta planform with 4 engines until the aircraft actually did a flyby during the Moscow parade and then Im sure they were all shocked what the actual aircraft looked like.

 

[Jango007]

Yeah you are right, the concrete roof should have been blown to bits like they show in bollywood movies but when 4 Spice2000 at 1,000lbs each hits a thin metal sheet roof structure in Balakot, it only causes ZERO damage.

Don’t even go there ….

When I am bored I pull out this article and read about how magnificently gifted idiot our neighbours really are to believe everything they read and listen to on their retarded media ….

Truth is so hard for them to see ….. they create bizarre ideas like to see things clearly you have to see pic with poor
Resolution ….. I mean come on …

India’s strike on Balakot: a very precise miss? | The Strategist

Ever since the stunning US success in the 1991 Gulf War, we have increasingly come to take precision bombing for granted. While militaries may sometimes misidentify a target, we assume that they can precisely hit ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

 

[Jango007]

We are focused too much on the holes in the ground pics to make claims and counter claims .

Indians have successfully diverted attention from their air forces’s disastrous performance and with their EVERY top of the line combat aircraft type destroyed during the course of a SINGLE mission ….. not to mention grounding of the entire airforce for two days .

Now this is the news and the achievement not if some loitering munition made a hole in the roof or if Indians managed to make a crater in the runway ….


Indians ( known for one of the smallest certain body part) will keep buying and claiming agar F35 hota or agar LORA ( Israeli AAM !!!) hota to result different hota …..

Let them live in a fantasy world and make movies and songs to compensate for their country’s loss and humiliation.

When we respond in kind and start discussing few holes they managed to make on our bases we give them a platform to divert attention from over $500 million dollars worth of aircraft debris laying in their fields .

First Rafale lost in combat appears confirmed amid latest Indo-Pakistani hostilities - European Security & Defence

A first Rafale fighter appears to have been lost in combat during Indian air strikes mounted on 7 May 2025 under Operation 'Sindoor'.

euro-sd.com

 

[MirageV3ff]

I asked Gemini with proper prompts. And this was the answer.

“ The image linked from the account Silarium_gone appears to be part of a broader disinformation campaign associated with the brief military escalation between India and Pakistan in May 2025.
According to official reports and independent analyses of the conflict:
• Operational Context: Following a terrorist attack in Pahalgam on April 22, 2025, India launched Operation Sindoor on May 7, targeting terror camps in Pakistan and Pakistan Azaad Kashmir. Pakistan responded with Operation Bunyan Marsoos on May 10, claiming to have struck several Indian military facilities.
• The Claim: During the escalation, Pakistani social media accounts and official sources claimed to have destroyed major Indian assets, including the Forward Ammunition Depot (often cited as Chandigarh or Pathankot), the S-400 base at Adampur, and the BrahMos base at Nagrota.
• The Reality: The Indian Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) and the Ministry of Defence released time-stamped satellite imagery and photographic evidence at the time to debunk these claims. Specifically, the MEA confirmed in a May 10, 2025 briefing that the claims regarding the destruction of Indian ammunition depots and airbases were completely false. While some airbases like Udhampur and Pathankot suffered "limited damage" from drone/missile debris, no ammunition storage site was successfully "destroyed" as claimed.
• Photo Analysis: Photos circulating on platforms like X (formerly Twitter) during this period often used recycled imagery from previous conflicts (such as the 2020 Karabakh war or 2023 strikes in other regions) or AI-generated visuals to simulate "successful" strikes.
In summary, the claim that an Indian ammunition storage site was successfully attacked by Pakistan on May 25, 2025, is incorrect. The active conflict had largely stabilized following a ceasefire agreement reached on May 10–12, 2025, and the specific claims of destroyed depots were verified as misinformation.

I don't wanna be that guy but you ain't beating the "grok saar" allegations

 

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[Cipher212]

I guess we've discussed this to death but some conclusions can be drawn with new evidence:

Fatah 1 wasn't as bad as we thought, still it is not the same level of impact as a Brahmos or SCALP. Also some of these pics are inconclusive. Probably nothing happened.

Unless IAF goes for the F-35 there is nothing they can purchase or produce that will give them first look first shoot. IAF has had HOURS of air combat against a peer adversary in 2019 and 2025 and failed to even fire a single AAM.

Next round, whenever that comes, will be a test of our air defence. I highly doubt they will bring any aircraft within 150-200km of the border. They will stick to their long range Brahmos. We may not even be able to shoot at any of their aircraft as they'll be too far away.

 

[Hayabusa]

This AI slop is terrible.

Again a weathered roof and panel missing from a shed, there are also panels missing from a hangar at Masroor, are we going to say that Masroor was hit by drones? There are also similar roof discolorations at our bases, this doesn't mean anything.

Hey. I am no satellite imagery expert. But I try using common sense and logic to analyse as well.

Before incorporating the prompts I do check and verify as well before posting.

1) Indicate the coordinates wherever available
2) Indicate that it is part of May conflict.
3) Analyze before and after photos.

This is my own thoughts:

Discoloration has to be viewed in context. Whether it is spread out across, or whether it is uniformed. Compared to my first post where the discoloration is completely uniformed across buildings and roofing ( dispelling any strikes), in this one you can see it's not a uniformed like spread. (Indicating fires)? No major damage as well so most likely points to loitering munition. The structure is quite intact.

I would say you could be right on the panel may be a little suspicious as there are no charring around the surrounding area. But then, 2 of the panels are removed suspiciously, while the others remain intact and that could support the argument as well.

In the end the AI is suppose to assist give a clearer explanation, not pass a judgement. Nobody is asking you to believe in it 100 percent and you are free to make your own judgement as well. Also, it's always open for discussion.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Fatah 1 wasn't as bad as we thought, still it is not the same level of impact as a Brahmos or SCALP.

i mean these things cant really be compared .

They will stick to their long range Brahmos

yes , that's why we need
better AD
have the capability to respond , so it deters brahmos strike in the future ( i say we take Iran's missile force as an example , we probably did launch missile force after the success of Iranian missiles against iron dome and the result will probably better for us as India is closer and their AD is not as good as iron dome )

 

[Vkdindian1]

Discoloration has to be viewed in context. Whether it is spread out across, or whether it is uniformed. Compared to my first post where the discoloration is completely uniformed across buildings and roofing ( dispelling any strikes), in this one you can see it's not a uniformed like spread. (Indicating fires)? No major damage as well so most likely points to loitering munition. The structure is quite intact.

Charring and discolouration may not mean much after few months.

I would give example of Nur Khan base in this context. I have attached two images of the base, with one taken in 2024 and the second one in Sep 25. In the first image the structure is intact and the second one some construction is in progress. Please note that, the fire at that place was so intense that it was picked up by NASA’s satellites that track forest fires across the globe. It was showing under fire for almost 24 hours. Look at the picture, there is not even a hint of any fire in the entire area.
Moreover, had immediate BDA pictures not come out showing the damage at Nur Khan, the Google Earth pictures would have been dismissed by “trust me bro” brigade as there is nothing that indicates any battle damage. In these images it’s just some construction under progress.

Same goes for all other places that were successfully struck by India. Wherever, the imagery has been updated, it shows some tarpaulin cover or construction under progress. There is no hint of any damage caused by a weapon.

Thats why BDA pictures have to be taken in a certain time frame beyond which it just becomes a narrative creation.

Even at Sargodha, there is a patch on the runway. Had immediate pictures not come out showing the craters, the fanboy brigade would have called it normal Reapir at a runway, which isn’t uncommon.

You and very FEW posters have displayed critical thinking in this regard hence my submission. Most of others seem to be under confirmation bias and want to look at every dark shade as a missile strike and every shadow as a repair after damage.

 

[Hayabusa]

Charring and discolouration may not mean much after few months.

I would give example of Nur Khan base in this context. I have attached two images of the base, with one taken in 2024 and the second one in Sep 25. In the first image the structure is intact and the second one some construction is in progress. Please note that, the fire at that place was so intense that it was picked up by NASA’s satellites that track forest fires across the globe. It was showing under fire for almost 24 hours. Look at the picture, there is not even a hint of any fire in the entire area.

Do you have a link to the Nur Khan airbase being under fire for 24 hours? I remembered it being picked up by satellite. If true, it shows something really wrong with putting out fires in the airbase.

Moreover, had immediate BDA pictures not come out showing the damage at Nur Khan, the Google Earth pictures would have been dismissed by “trust me bro” brigade as there is nothing that indicates any battle damage. In these images it’s just some construction under progress.

Same goes for all other places that were successfully struck by India. Wherever, the imagery has been updated, it shows some tarpaulin cover or construction under progress. There is no hint of any damage caused by a weapon.

Thats why BDA pictures have to be taken in a certain time frame beyond which it just becomes a narrative creation.

Even at Sargodha, there is a patch on the runway. Had immediate pictures not come out showing the craters, the fanboy brigade would have called it normal Reapir at a runway, which isn’t uncommon.

You and very FEW posters have displayed critical thinking in this regard hence my submission. Most of others seem to be under confirmation bias and want to look at every dark shade as a missile strike and every shadow as a repair after damage.

Thanks. I try to be careful and impartial when it comes to analysis to prevent spreading falsehood and I believe everyone else should. I will take this opportunity to learn about analysing satellite image as well since we are on it.

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Your assessment is right. I've agreed with this mindset from the start. Timing is everything when identifying damages. Based on what you posted, especially the runway, if I hadn't knew it was struck, it could actually be argued that it is some regular runway maintenance.

Therefore, my assessment is that mere discoloration is a lower confidence indicator compared to observable physical destruction, like this instance below.




Discolouration< Non-uniform Deroofing< Deformed Structures < Obvious Destruction.

Let me know what you think about it.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Let me know what you think about it.

This has been already confirmed to be a lakkad Khanna fire in Aug 24.

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Thats why timely BDA is important to establish the facts without any bias.

As I said earlier, had India not released BDA images right after 10 May, most of them would have been denied due to reasons stated in my previous post.