Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[flyingorca]

Charring and discolouration may not mean much after few months.

I would give example of Nur Khan base in this context. I have attached two images of the base, with one taken in 2024 and the second one in Sep 25. In the first image the structure is intact and the second one some construction is in progress. Please note that, the fire at that place was so intense that it was picked up by NASA’s satellites that track forest fires across the globe. It was showing under fire for almost 24 hours. Look at the picture, there is not even a hint of any fire in the entire area.
Moreover, had immediate BDA pictures not come out showing the damage at Nur Khan, the Google Earth pictures would have been dismissed by “trust me bro” brigade as there is nothing that indicates any battle damage. In these images it’s just some construction under progress.

Same goes for all other places that were successfully struck by India. Wherever, the imagery has been updated, it shows some tarpaulin cover or construction under progress. There is no hint of any damage caused by a weapon.

Thats why BDA pictures have to be taken in a certain time frame beyond which it just becomes a narrative creation.

Even at Sargodha, there is a patch on the runway. Had immediate pictures not come out showing the craters, the fanboy brigade would have called it normal Reapir at a runway, which isn’t uncommon.

You and very FEW posters have displayed critical thinking in this regard hence my submission. Most of others seem to be under confirmation bias and want to look at every dark shade as a missile strike and every shadow as a repair after damage.View attachment 169504View attachment 169505View attachment 169506

Ok honestly tell us what is more convincing, the Satalitte images Pakistanis have recently provided, or.... the Indian satellite images of Balakot strikes? Mind you india used 3 or 4 Spice2000 which weights 1,000 lbs each.
Check out the 3 black pixels that were added by Indians

 

[Vkdindian1]

Ok honestly tell us what is more convincing, the Satalitte images Pakistanis have recently provided, or.... the Indian satellite images of Balakot strikes? Mind you india used 3 or 4 Spice2000 which weights 1,000 lbs each.
Check out the 3 black pixels that were added by IndiansView attachment 169514

Please go back to Balakot thread and read my comments there.

Why did India loose the narrative then? Because there was no imagery to back their claims. I am sure, you were one of those who demanded images to prove.

Moreover, ISPR has not provided any images officially. Because there are none. Whatever, they had after May skirmish was worthless. Hence they waited for Google to update their imagery and then tasked their social media handles to create a narrative.

Secondly, the parameters of providing and giving proof can’t change with situation and one’s convenience.

This time the tables seem to have turned.

 

[flyingorca]

Do you have a link to the Nur Khan airbase being under fire for 24 hours? I remembered it being picked up by satellite. If true, it shows something really wrong with putting out fires in the airbase.


Thanks. I try to be careful and impartial when it comes to analysis to prevent spreading falsehood and I believe everyone else should. I will take this opportunity to learn about analysing satellite image as well since we are on it.



Your assessment is right. I've agreed with this mindset from the start. Timing is everything when identifying damages. Based on what you posted, especially the runway, if I hadn't knew it was struck, it could actually be argued that it is some regular runway maintenance.

Therefore, my assessment is that mere discoloration is a lower confidence indicator compared to observable physical destruction, like this instance below.

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Discolouration< Non-uniform Deroofing< Deformed Structures < Obvious Destruction.

Let me know what you think about it.

I just wanna add one point that even here in US where majority of roof uses shingles that needs to be replaced every 20 to 30 years. What materials does India uses on such military structure roof that needed to be replaced in 2025? Usually almost every structure roof in subcontinent is good until the life of the structure itself unless some physical damage was done.

 

[Hayabusa]

This has been already confirmed to be a lakkad Khanna fire in Aug 24.

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Thats why timely BDA is important to establish the facts without any bias.

As I said earlier, had India not released BDA images right after 10 May, most of them would have been denied due to reasons stated in my previous post.

Again. I agree. BDA is important to establish facts without bias. But we try to work with any evidence we have now, and try to piece together.

This is interesting news though I disagree with the fire causing a complete collapse of the building. They should be designed to be fire rated at the very least. And without geolocation, we can't pinpoint it's exact location.

 

[flyingorca]

Please go back to Balakot thread and read my comments there.

Why did India loose the narrative then? Because there was no imagery to back their claims. I am sure, you were one of those who demanded images to prove.

The standards of providing and giving proof can’t change with situation and one’s convenience.

This time the tables have turned.

Ok so India lost in 2019 skirmish.
As for 2025, if Pakistan air force was destroyed as per majority of Indians, why did indian government agree to ceasefire since India's dream of capturing Pakistani kashmir and dismantling all terror infrastructure was so close?

 

[Hayabusa]

Ok so India lost in 2019 skirmish.
As for 2025, if Pakistan air force was destroyed as per majority of Indians, why did indian government agree to ceasefire since India's dream of capturing Pakistani kashmir and dismantling all terror infrastructure was so close?

I suggest we try to be objective when responding. Maybe we focus more on the satelite imagery instead? Just want a more civil discussion with regards to the satellite imagery and how we can improve BDA for OSINT community in future conflicts.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Ok so India lost in 2019 skirmish.
As for 2025, if Pakistan air force was destroyed as per majority of Indians, why did indian government agree to ceasefire since India's dream of capturing Pakistani kashmir and dismantling all terror infrastructure was so close?

Going in circles to circumvent a topic at discussion is the favourite method of fanboys. Thats why I don’t engage with you. When cornered at one place you are trying to sidestep and change the subject inspite of those being already discussed to death.

I have already given my opinion ample number of times on this thread on questions posed by you.

While I have shown the capability to accept my failures you are still trying to cope. Keep trying.

 

[Hayabusa]

I just wanna add one point that even here in US where majority of roof uses shingles that needs to be replaced every 20 to 30 years. What materials does India uses on such military structure roof that needed to be replaced in 2025? Usually almost every structure roof in subcontinent is good until the life of the structure itself unless some physical damage was done.

I agree to a certain extent. Maintenance seems like a very fine excuse. But then again, we can only speculate at this point. It's not conclusive damage that it has been struck, or else every area seems to be struck by Pakistan which is of course, illogical.

 

[Vkdindian1]

how we can improve BDA for OSINT community in future conflicts.

Pakistan doesn’t lack this capability. They have very good tie up with China and Chinese companies to provide whatever they need.

If China can provide real time satellite support in May, providing imagery is child’s play compared to that.

It is assumed that the images were analysed and a decision to not talk about them was taken for reasons well known.

Formation of rocket force is the direct outcome of that analysis. So, the professionals are already at work.

ISPR is also a professional entity and doing its job. Job to create a narrative. And I really admire that.

Who buys that narrative is the question here. The target seems to be the domestic audience. And they seem to be doing very well.

 

[falcon34]

Moreover, ISPR has not provided any images officially. Because there are none. Whatever, they had after May skirmish was worthless. Hence they waited for Google to update their imagery and then tasked their social media handles to create a narrative.

No one from ISPR did anything it was me. So worthless that almost every roof started caving in and shows discoloration associated with fires. IAF and IA repaired a lot but they caught with their pants at amritsar airbase

 

[falcon34]

Who buys that narrative is the question here. The target seems to be the domestic audience. And they seem to be doing very well.

I will rest my case after this if you have a civil engineer friend show him those pictures the ones I have specifically posted throughout the past week. You'll get your answer, their is lateral deformation among all of them and roofs have caved in.

 

[Hayabusa]

Pakistan doesn’t lack this capability. They have very good tie up with China and Chinese companies to provide whatever they need.

If China can provide real time satellite support in May, providing imagery is child’s play compared to that.

It is assumed that the images were analysed and a decision to not talk about them was taken for reasons well known.

Formation of rocket force is the direct outcome of that analysis. So, the professionals are already at work.

ISPR is also a professional entity and doing its job. Job to create a narrative. And I really admire that.

Who buys that narrative is the question here. The target seems to be the domestic audience. And they seem to be doing very well.

That's true. We haven't nailed down the actual truth yet. Rather just a bunch of theories on why ISPR is holding back the images. It's definitely different from operation Swift Retort, where they released them.

Everyone has their own theory, including me, but the real reason is probably classified for another decade.

 

[ArmTwister]

Maybe classified till 7th or 10th May 2026..

 

[ArmTwister]

Please go back to Balakot thread and read my comments there.

Why did India loose the narrative then? Because there was no imagery to back their claims. I am sure, you were one of those who demanded images to prove.

Moreover, ISPR has not provided any images officially. Because there are none. Whatever, they had after May skirmish was worthless. Hence they waited for Google to update their imagery and then tasked their social media handles to create a narrative.

Secondly, the parameters of providing and giving proof can’t change with situation and one’s convenience.

This time the tables seem to have turned.

We can wait till 7th or 10th may 2026, ISPR might lift some covers on the operation. Whereas, what ever operation Pak armed forces conducted on 10th may led to the ceasefire. Also, the main purpose of 10th may operation by Pak forces was either to force India to ceasefire or diminish India capability and Pave way for decimating India’s forces if war further rages. Surely, the ceasefire part was achieved and peace prevailed.

We should now focus on progress in all sectors of life and pray for those who perished from both side in a 4 days conflict, because everybody was fighting for its country.

 

[ArmTwister]

Good development

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