PAF Conducts Successful Test Launch of Taimoor ALCM

[JamD]

Well... a lot of people said the IAF was grounded, yet during 10th May we saw Air launched munitions used extensively indicating IAF involvement. Yet PAF saw nowhere near the same level of success in engaging them on the first day.

Shhhhhhhhhh lol

EDIT: Hopefully, Taimoor let's us launch some stuff at them from the relative safety of our interior. Actually, a great reason for the Taimoor to fly high (while inside Pakistan) to maximize its range.

 

[Toxic]

Kirana hills, Bholari, C2 node at Nur Khan, RYK Terminal, list is actually quite soberingly long. Although whether they were all Brahmos... dunno.

Well... a lot of people said the IAF was grounded, yet during 10th May we saw Air launched munitions used extensively indicating IAF involvement. Yet PAF saw nowhere near the same level of success in engaging them on the first day.

Simply because the munitions launched on May 10th were all cruise missiles launched deep inside Indian airspace while on 7th may they they tried to use guided bombs like AASM hammers which had to be launched closer to border so they ended up eating PL-15s, anyway stay on topic.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Well... a lot of people said the IAF was grounded,

yes on 8 and 9 may ( 2 days)

Yet PAF saw nowhere near the same level of success in engaging them on the first day.

because they lobbed missile while being out of pl15 distance

idk how that is hard it to understand

 

[aurelianpilled]

As it stands we need cruise missiles in numbers and buying from China is the only option.

I strongly agree. China does offer one such dedicated ALCM called the CM-98 (export version), and it weighs, as per Janes, around 1,000 kg, but the real issue with it is its range. The export version only has a range of about 299 km, and the one that China uses, called the AKF-98, has a range exceeding 500 km and looks slightly larger (?) than its export version. The AKF-98 is integrated with J-16 and JH-7A2 jets.




Alan Warnes revealed the range of CM-400AKG in that AFM article to be ~400 km as per PAF officials, so since CM-400AKG too is a Chinese product, integrated with both JF-17s and J-10CEs, and we all know the story of PL-15'E' catching that Rafale's ass at around 200 km, I am guessing that China could provide us with a Pakistan-specific export version of this ALCM with, of course, some degraded capabilities from the original one, which is used by the PLAAF (AKF-98). Maybe Deino or @Michael can shed some light on this?

 

[Gripen9]

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Thanks for sharing. Hopefully this has been fast tracked for development and is operational soon.

 

[Gripen9]

Understandable, Indians would like to stick to lobbing Brahmos and then absorb the PAF counter attack with a thorough AD, for as many days as possible.

They have understood very well that they will not be able to counter PAF in the air for the foreseeable future. Launching Brahmos is the best impact/shock value especially with Pakistan not have any depth to move strategic assets deep inside its territory. The only option Pakistan has, is to launch preemptive strikes against Brahmos storage and TELs as soon as you have intel that India is moving to strike. That line of action has its own disadvantages as you become the aggressor.

 

[Gripen9]

tbh u could get c130 or other transport aircraft to carry this , and in c130 case i remember we did that in 65 because we didn't have enough bombers

USAF has already developed Rapid dragon launch system to deploy 24-48 JASSMs via palletized delivery system for MC130Js and C-17s

 

[safriz]

yes on 8 and 9 may ( 2 days)

because they lobbed missile while being out of pl15 distance

idk how that is hard it to understand

People have absurd expectations from PAF.
Its a fighting force not a circus. They could only come into action if on 19th May IAF aircrafts posed any threat to Pakistan by being close to Pakistan.
If PAF went airborne every time IAF came within 100km of Pakistan, they will remain airborne all the time.
On the 10th the IAF just lobbed the missiles from far inside India and did the runner.

Another thing is that no matter what Pakistan does Indian air force will always have the upper hand due to geography.
Pakistan is a narrow long country glued to the upper left corner of a very large country.
No area or fighting force of Pakistan can ever be more than a few hundred kilometers from India, and will always remain within range of most of their missiles and projectiles.
On the contrary IAF can do an attack and retreat to an airbase in Chennai or somewhere deep inside India and PAF cant do anything to them. While PAF will always remain within range of all of Indian forces, as Pakistan is a narrow country.

Under such disadvantageous geographical condition PAf doing quite well.

 

[Oscar]

I haven't. But I'm the kind of person that would rather overestimate the enemy rather than ourselves. My limited knowledge on this is that PN has set up a SOSUS-type net. @Oscar

Whatever the PN has - so far all attempts to flank, find routes and so on(which I provided a detailed explanation for on the thread regarding this) by the IN have failed using both the Kilos, U-209s and even the Scorpenes(although to be fair they cannot yet go to their proper endurance due to issues with their AIP or something).

India has not tried to push its leased Akulas through any Pakistan movement because those were tracked fairly well in Indian waters for the most part and never made a foray.

Even during the days there was no SOSUS and in days when you did have US and UK subs regularly "stroll" through Pakistani waters unless they intentionally messaged that they were there.

The net is much more sensitive now.

 

[Hussain]

C2 node at Nur Khan

It was untouched, absolutely zero damage.

 

[safriz]

It was untouched, absolutely zero damage.

Also that....its deep underground .
India will need a ground penetrating MOAB or something similar to destroy that.

The hint of that remaining untouched was in the Photos of Air cheif and crew for there , posted during and after the operation.

 

[side-winder]

Also that....its deep underground .
India will need a ground penetrating MOAB or something similar to destroy that.

The hint of that remaining untouched was in the Photos of Air cheif and crew for there , posted during and after the operation.

Arey bhai jaan. There was no C2 node there - neither underground nor those buildings.

Been personally there on ground at that location not very long ago.

I don't know why does this damage stuff pop up again and again.

 

[kimjongun]

Arey bhai jaan. There was no C2 node there - neither underground nor those buildings.

Been personally there on ground at that location not very long ago.

I don't know why does this damage stuff pop up again and again.

What about the murid one? was it even being used???
Also why is there lack of vegitation on these bases? if it is not interfering in radar coverage or Flight operation....it provides some sort of camo to these facilities dont they?

 

[side-winder]

What about the murid one? was it even being used???

Lets not start over again. I have already shared comments a number of times.

This is not the thread anyway.

 

[Falcon26]

@JamD

Thanks for the great technical contributions to the thread. Your claims that Pakistan still lacks in critical aspects of missile technology is quite worrying, especially as Pakistan has had decades of experience in missile production. If they are still struggling, then that means the technical knowledge isn’t as developed as we often assume, and might not even compare to Iran and North Korea, let alone India.