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[Forsvaret]

China's current core strategy, therefore, is to strive for all-round development and surpass the United States in all domains.

How exactly? By keep dumping Chinese manufactured goods into the United States? China becoming factory of the world cannot & will not magically make it a superpower until / unless it starts challenging the US dominance (military or otherwise) across the globe.

 

[hasssanali8998]

even the israeli's.

u guys still in that phase huh .

 

[_Arabia_]

Again, please stop making up facts. https://www.distancefromto.net/distance-from-iraq-to-morocco

Do you think the world was just made yesterday? We are basically emerging from 300 years of complete Western domination. China's neighbors were once its vassals, then the Chinese empire collapsed. That collapse created a power vacuum that was filled by Japan and the European powers, then by the US. This is no different than the USSR collapsing and its former satellite states getting captured by the West and being oriented in an anti-Russian stance. Except this happened in East Asia over 100 years ago when China's empire collapsed.

This world order is currently being threatened by China's return to power, which is ongoing. China's imperative is to fully develop itself first in order to become as powerful as possible, only in that way, will China be able to change the world order in its favor. We are well on this journey but it's still ongoing.

Try with Oman and Mauritania/Western Sahara.

The Arab world is 30-40% larger than China.

Arab world - Wikipedia

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You started the comparison and dick measuring contest. I am not interested in that. The topic was China.

You were writing nonsense with all due respect. I just asked several AI models, and they all say that the length of China (West to East) is 5200. The length from Morocco to Iraq in a straight line is 8000 km. Almost the double.

BTW Tibet, Xinjiang (West of China and half of China's geography) was inhabited by non-Han Chinese. That might equal Arabs using the length of the Muslim world. Any way this is irrelevant.

The Arab world was in the same state as China, probably even worse due to being RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the last 500 years of world supreme power (Europe). Europe's largest border is literally with the Arab world just across the tiny Mediterranean Sea.

You first had contact with the Europeans many millennia later and you saw the destructive impact they had on China.

It is this stupid logic of "China's focus is on developing first". You think that the US would be anything other than a strange mismatch of African slaves, a few small British colonies and settlements mixed with Spanish and French ones (colonial) if they had this logic?

You need to act whenever the opportunity arrises and not be this passive while your allies or potential allies are falling apart.

Not only is it stupid in terms of your potential influence it sends the wrong signal to potential Chinese allies and partners.

What do you think Arab states, who are thinking of whether to "abandon the US/Western horse" and jump on a Chinese one, think, when they see what occurred in Venezuela, Iran and elsewhere where pro-Chinese regimes were in power and the subsequent Chinese silence?

Arabs, once again, are irrelevant here, we are divided into 20 + nations, war torn, divided and not yet enjoying full peace, unity or full development across the board for 100's of various reasons.

I could be from Finland or Mongolia for all it matters, argue the arguments and stay on topic.

The topic is Venezuela and Madura, a Chinese ally, being kidnapped by the US with China doing nothing to prevent it and in general being passive again.

It is a bad outlook. It is not an attack on you personally or any other Chinese person.

I simply don't see why potential Chinse allies should be trusting your current government that it will come to their aid.

Which is why I am personally happy that KSA is not aligned with any superpower fully or in any treaty with anybody but cleverly plays out and takes advantage of every relevant power for our own benefits while trying to maintain cordial ties with everyone.

And no, being a US ally is not always ideal either, often that is more dangerous than being an enemy but again, the topic was China/Venezuela/Maduro, not anything else.

 

[royalharris]

How exactly? By keep dumping Chinese manufactured goods into the United States? China becoming factory of the world cannot & will not magically make it a superpower until / unless it starts challenging the US dominance (military or otherwise) across the globe.

China has its own way forward, and its development over the past few decades has already proven the effectiveness of this strategy.
China just need keep its strategy.
Unfortunately, many superficial countries and nations simply fail to understand this

 

[Forsvaret]

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It’d be really interesting to watch how US oil & gas companies now do business with sanction-hit Venezuela

 

[hasssanali8998]

China is just a paper tiger. All talk & has absolutely nothing to show except for its economy:

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[tower9]

Try with Oman and Mauritania/Western Sahara.

The Arab world is 30-40% larger than China.

Arab world - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You started the comparison and dick measuring contest. I am not interested in that. The topic was China.

You were writing nonsense with all due respect. I just asked several AI models, and they all say that the length of China (West to East) is 5200. The length from Morocco to Iraq in a straight line is 8000 km. Almost the double.

BTW Tibet, Xinjiang (West of China and half of China's geography) was inhabited by non-Han Chinese. That might equal Arabs using the length of the Muslim world. Any way this is irrelevant.

The Arab world was in the same state as China, probably even worse due to being RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the last 500 years of world supreme power (Europe). Europe's largest border is literally with the Arab world just across the tiny Mediterranean Sea.

You first had contact with the Europeans many millennia later and you saw the destructive impact they had on China.

It is this stupid logic of "China's focus is on developing first". You think that the US would be anything other than a strange mismatch of African slaves, a few small British colonies and settlements mixed with Spanish and French ones (colonial) if they had this logic?

You need to act whenever the opportunity arrises and not be this passive while your allies or potential allies are falling apart.

Not only is it stupid in terms of your potential influence it sends the wrong signal to potential Chinese allies and partners.

What do you think Arab states, who are thinking of whether to "abandon the US/Western horse" and jump on a Chinese one, think, when they see what occurred in Venezuela, Iran and elsewhere where pro-Chinese regimes were in power and the subsequent Chinese silence?

Arabs, once again, are irrelevant here, we are divided into 20 + nations, war torn, divided and not yet enjoying full peace, unity or full development across the board for 100's of various reasons.

I could be from Finland or Mongolia for all it matters, argue the arguments and stay on topic.

The topic is Venezuela and Madura, a Chinese ally, being kidnapped by the US with China doing nothing to prevent it and in general being passive again.

It is a bad outlook. It is not an attack on you personally or any other Chinese person.

I simply don't see why potential Chinse allies should be trusting your current government that it will come to their aid.

Which is why I am personally happy that KSA is not aligned with any superpower fully or in any treaty with anybody but cleverly plays out and takes advantage of every relevant power for our own benefits while trying to maintain cordial ties with everyone.

And no, being a US ally is not always ideal either, often that is more dangerous than being an enemy but again, the topic was China/Venezuela/Maduro, not anything else.

China will do what is best for China and they may be ways you don't understand. But obviously the results speak for themselves. It is the only non-Western power to continually become stronger. I am sure as circumstances change, their behavior will also change.

 

[Forsvaret]

The West can always try to bomb Shanghai and see what happens. Why do you think it doesn't? The US doesn't hesitate to bomb anywhere else, does it?

The West may not even need to physically bomb China anywhere. All they have to do is stop China from acquiring certain technological capabilities such as state of the art nano-chip manufacturing — a technology so well-kept by the West that Chinese govt simply can’t replicate it so far.

 

[royalharris]

The key reason is that many of these so-called powerful nations in the Middle East are nothing but opportunists. They are good for nothing but boasting and self-aggrandizement.
China has absolutely no need to waste its precious development opportunities and resources on such opportunists.
As for genuine allies like North Korea—even a superpower as strong as the United States, dare it launch a direct attack on North Korea.

 

[tower9]

How exactly? By keep dumping Chinese manufactured goods into the United States? China becoming factory of the world cannot & will not magically make it a superpower until / unless it starts challenging the US dominance (military or otherwise) across the globe.

You are clueless as to what is happening.

Reality is that Trump's kidnapping of Maduro was a move of desperation. And why is that? It's all about dollar dominance and wanting to preserve the Petrodollar.

Guess which country has been undermining dollar dominance and dominates global trade? Guess which country is defeating Western technological dominance?

Again, the global chessboard has a lot happening behind the scenes that normies are not privy too. That's why I find it pointless to debate on forums like this.

 

[MH.Yang]

You are clueless as to what is happening.

Reality is that Trump's kidnapping of Maduro was a move of desperation. And why is that? It's all about dollar dominance and wanting to preserve the Petrodollar.

Guess which country has been undermining dollar dominance and dominates global trade? Guess which country is defeating Western technological dominance?

Again, the global chessboard has a lot happening behind the scenes that normies are not privy too. That's why I find it pointless to debate on forums like this.

There's no need to say so much.

In fact, the United States only captured Maduro. Has it obtained the oil fields in Venezuela? Without Maduro, Venezuela will have other leaders, such as the former vice president who has just taken office as president.

The oil fields in Venezuela are controlled by the Venezuelan military, and its profits are used to purchase food and other essential goods for all Venezuelans. Does any Venezuelan president dare to give oil fields to Americans? Trump's capture of Maduro does not mean that the United States has won, at least not yet.

Of course, Trump has indeed achieved personal victory, his political reputation in the United States has increased, and he is more suitable to be the Emperor of the Roman Empire.

 

[tower9]

The West may not even need to physically bomb China anywhere. All they have to do is stop China from acquiring certain technological capabilities such as state of the art nano-chip manufacturing — a technology so well-kept by the West that Chinese govt simply can’t replicate it so far.

These statements just show me how fucking ignorant you are.

What the **** do you think the West has been doing for the past decade? What do you think all the Huawei bans, chip bans, EUV bans have been all about?

Fact is that China has overcome almost all of the tech bans and is now developing its own EUV machine which will basically make ASML and Nvidia obsolete in the next two years.

You truly are clueless about what's happening.

 

[_Arabia_]

China will do what is best for China and they may be ways you don't understand. But obviously the results speak for themselves. It is the only non-Western power to continually become stronger. I am sure as circumstances change, their behavior will also change.

Once again, you are starting a discussion from a position that I have never taken.

First you claimed that I wrote anything about cowardice and changed the discussion to Arabs. While in reality I never wrote anything about cowardice even once.

Now you are talking about (for the 10th time or more) China growing in power. Once again, I never wrote the opposite even once nor do I disagree.

NONE OF THE ABOVE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I WROTE INITIALLY OR MY INITIALLY POINTS MOST OF WHICH YOU INITIALLY AGREED WITH OR DID NOT COUNTER.

My short point, to make it painfully short and clear, is that China needs to redefine and change its historical millennia old philosophy of looking inwards and viewing China as the center of the world, and become more proactive globally, including aiding your allies or potential allies more aggressively, if you want to challenge the US truly on a global scale. That is all.

As I view it this is the main current problem with China that prevents it from truly challenging the US.

The Belt and Road project should have had a military component from the very beginning for instance.

Given the size of China, huge population (1.5 billion people - do you realize how many people that is), lack of any local competitors historically speaking (Japan, Korea, Vietnam etc. were irrelevant for the most part - only exception was the short-lived Mongol Empire that died fairly quickly - look at Mongolia today - least sparsely populated country on the planet), China should be an ABSOLUTE regional hegemon and those mentioned states, Philippines included, should be Chinese vassal states.

The reality though is completely different. To the point that most Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese for whatever reasons seem to dislike China and Chinese.

So something has gone wrong here. Whatever it is or has caused this, China must first gain regional supremacy before dreaming about challenging the US on a global scale.

That China has not yet created something akin to a Warsaw Pact that the USSR did almost 80 years ago is also a big weakness as I see it.

And I am only writing all of this (I could care less otherwise to be honest with you, it does not impact KSA, Arabs, Arab world etc.) because I genuinely believe that China has the potential to challenge the US and that it is healthy for the world to have more than 1 global power.

It is therefore frustrating to see this Chinese passivity globally.

This whole Venezuela/Maduro fiasco was another confirmation as I see it of this passivity. Another one was Iran last summer. A third one is Russia, with tiny North Korea being more active in their support for Russia which is fighting against NATO/US while we speak or at least did under Biden.

Now Trump is ironically trying to charm Putin and the Jewish oligarchy that runs Russia in order for him to prevent a real alliance with China and for Russia to return to the European/Western fold.

That is all. Last post on this topic from my part.

 

[tower9]

Once again, you are starting a discussion from a position that I have never taken.

First you claimed that I wrote anything about cowardice and changed the discussion to Arabs. While in reality I never wrote anything about cowardice even once.

Now you are talking about (for the 10th time or more) China growing in power. Once again, I never wrote the opposite even once nor do I disagree.

NONE OF THE ABOVE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I WROTE INITIALLY OR MY INITIALLY POINTS MOST OF WHICH YOU INITIALLY AGREE WITH OR DID NOT COUNTER.

My short point, to make it painfully short and clear, is that China needs to redefine and change its historical millennia old philosophy of looking inwards and viewing China as the center of the world, and become more proactive globally, including aiding your allies or potential allies more aggressively, if you want to challenge the US truly on a global scale. That is all.

As I view it this is the main downfall and current problem with China.

Given the size of China, huge population (1.5 billion people - do you realize how many people that is), lack of any local competitors historically speaking (Japan, Korea, Vietnam etc. were irrelevant for the most part - only exception was the short-lived Mongol Empire that died fairly quickly - look at Mongolia today - least sparsely populated country on the planet), China should be an ABSOLUTE regional hegemon and those mentioned states, Philippines included, should be Chinese vassal states.

The reality though is completely different. To the point that most Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese for whatever reasons seem to dislike China and Chinese.

So something has gone wrong here. Whatever it is or has caused this, China must first gain regional supremacy before dreaming about challenging the US on a global scale.

That China has not yet created something akin to a Warsaw Pact that the USSR did almost 80 years ago is also a big weakness as I see it.

And I am only writing all of this (I could care less otherwise to be honest with you, it does not impact KSA, Arabs, Arab world etc.) because I genuinely believe that China has the potential to challenge the US and that it is healthy for the world to have more than 1 global power.

It is therefore frustrating to see this Chinese passivity globally.

That is all. Last post on this topic.

This conversation is pointless. Go talk to someone else.

 

[Forsvaret]

Just look at North Korea: which country in the world dares to attack it

What’s there to even "gain" from attacking country like North Korea? A completely brainwashed population which believes a guy with large belly & ridiculous haircut is their God or something?