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Israel and USA lost its PR war.
world will unite against them in next twenty years

 

[MH.Yang]

Genuine question, did the Maduro regime ever invite China to establish a military base in Venezuela?

The US in comparison has China almost surrounded by US military bases.

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You are wrong. I think that a much more active China globally would serve the power balance of the world in a better fashion rather than just having 1 foremost hegemonic power like currently the case to a large extent, albeit not as dominant as from 1990-2010. China is closing the gap, at least economically, militarily and technologically to an extent.

The world is better off with polarity rather than singularity. Manifested in various poles of power across the globe, depending on the geography.

Every country has some rot but so far it seems that the US is content with their global hegemony. In fact it is this very reality that keeps it afloat and the dollar supremacy (for now) alive as well as the general US cultural pull.

Once this position retracts it risks becoming another UK, once the most powerful empire (not that long ago) but now largely irrelevant compared to its former heights and quickly declining.

The United States itself is not evil, at least before 1991, the United States was undoubtedly a beacon of humanity.

Before the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the treasury bond of the United States did not exceed $3 trillion, but now it is $37 trillion.
At that time, the Gini coefficient in the United States was 0.3+, and now it is 0.5+.
At that time, the savings rate in the United States was very high, and the salary of a blue collar worker could support three children, two cars, and a dog. Nowadays, most Americans have to work multiple jobs to support themselves.

Why did the United States fall so quickly after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Is it really because of China? Or is it because of parasites in the United States?

China will take a completely different path. We not only need to build a new world, but also break free from the curse of prosperity and decline. We will not handle international affairs like the United States, let alone become the next America.

 

[Fatman17]

United States President Donald Trump said on Sunday that the US might launch a second military strike on Venezuela following the capture of President Nicolas Maduro if remaining members of the administration do not cooperate with his efforts to get the country “fixed”.

Trump’s comments to reporters aboard Air Force One raised the possibility of further US military interventions in Latin America, and suggested Colombia and Mexico could also face military action if they do not reduce the flow of illicit drugs to the United States.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1965235/t...-govt-does-not-cooperate-insists-us-in-charge

 

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[_Arabia_]

The United States itself is not evil, at least before 1991, the United States was undoubtedly a beacon of humanity.

Before the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the treasury bond of the United States did not exceed $3 trillion, but now it is $37 trillion.
At that time, the Gini coefficient in the United States was 0.3+, and now it is 0.5+.
At that time, the savings rate in the United States was very high, and the salary of a blue collar worker could support three children, two cars, and a dog. Nowadays, most Americans have to work multiple jobs to support themselves.

Why did the United States fall so quickly after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Is it really because of China? Or is it because of parasites in the United States?

China will take a completely different path. We not only need to build a new world, but also break free from the curse of prosperity and decline. We will not handle international affairs like the United States, let alone become the next America.

Every empire has its heights, lows, decline and eventual collapse. This is the way of life.

US, like any other previous empire, has done plenty of good and plenty of bad.

The decline of the US, at least in the past 20-30 years, is due to the rise of other powers, China included, the US becoming too arrogant, many failed and costly military interventions (Iraq, Afghanistan, previously Vietnam etc.), a in many ways sick/corrupt financial system, erosion of the middle class and other factors.

We could also talk about demographical factors which is controversial but nevertheless correct in many ways. The predominantly White America is declining while Latin Americans are increasing.

Many factors, yet the US remains the economic, cultural and military power of the world. For now at least.

Personally I do not think that either the US nor China can afford a direct prolonged US-China war. Which is why, despite all the rivalry, China and the US remain the two largest trade partners of the world.

As I see it, Trump has started a more isolationist branch of US politics that will continue after him. Also due to the realization that US power is/will be declining further in the future in a more multipolar world with a rising Arab world, Africa, India/South Asia and others in the future. Just due to demographics alone.

However AI could also change this development for good and bad for everyone involved. We do not know yet.

So my prediction is that the US will remain emperor in the Western Hemisphere while slowly being pushed back by China in East Asia. Some compromise could be even reached.

Russia on the other hand will continue to decline and I predict that Russia will return to the Western/European fold that it belongs to culturally, linguistically, religiously, ethnically and geographically (90% of Russians live in European Russia) but under a new more pro-West/EU/NATO regime rather than the current oligarchy. It will not be fully accepted by the West due to 200 + years of mistrust between Russia and Europe but it will eventually occur.

Also because most European/Western conservatives want to see it happen because they consider Russia to be a White Christian country and given the demographical challenges of the West there is also a racial element here.

 

[MH.Yang]

Every empire has its heights, lows, decline and eventual collapse. This is the way of life.

US, like any other previous empire, has done plenty of good and plenty of bad.

The decline of the US, at least in the past 20-30 years, is due to the rise of other powers, China included, the US becoming too arrogant, many failed and costly military interventions (Iraq, Afghanistan, previously Vietnam etc.), a in many ways sick/corrupt financial system, erosion of the middle class and other factors.

We could also talk about demographical factors which is controversial but nevertheless correct in many ways. The predominantly White America is declining while Latin Americans are increasing.

Many factors, yet the US remains the economic, cultural and military power of the world. For now at least.

Personally I do not think that either the US nor China can afford a direct prolonged US-China war. Which is why, despite all the rivalry, China and the US remain the two largest trade partners of the world.

As I see it, Trump has started a more isolationist branch of US politics that will continue after him. Also due to the realization that US power is/will be declining further in the future in a more multipolar world with a rising Arab world, Africa, India/South Asia and others in the future. Just due to demographics alone.

However AI could also change this development for good and bad for everyone involved. We do not know yet.

So my prediction is that the US will remain emperor in the Western Hemisphere while slowly being pushed back by China in East Asia. Some compromise could be even reached.

Russia on the other hand will continue to decline and I predict that Russia will return to the Western/European fold that it belongs to culturally, linguistically, religiously, ethnically and geographically (90% of Russians live in European Russia) but under a new more pro-West/EU/NATO regime rather than the current oligarchy. It will not be fully accepted by the West due to 200 + years of mistrust between Russia and Europe but it will eventually occur.

Also because most European/Western conservatives want to see it happen because they consider Russia to be a White Christian country and given the demographical challenges of the West there is also a racial element here.

The world is absurd now.

Many people who claim to be anti authoritarian advocate for a unipolar world. The so-called centralized state is striving for a multipolar world.

Many countries that advocate for freedom suppress different values, including socialism, while so-called non free countries allow freedom of speech and dissemination of all values such as capitalism.

dude, This world should not be like this, and human civilization should not develop in this way. Whether it is China or the United States, any country that becomes a world power center will be a disaster for humanity. It will inevitably fall like the United States after 1991, ultimately harming all humanity, including itself.

China cannot become the next America. If China follows the old path of the United States, humanity will completely lose hope. The potential of China is too great. If it becomes a fallen empire, there will be no next savior. Including the Chinese people, everyone will be enslaved by the future fallen Chinese elite and there will never be hope. For humanity to have a future, it must move towards a multipolar world. There can be no more super hegemony.

So our enemies are not all Americans, but those American bourgeoisie who still want to harvest the world through American hegemony. Those Uber drivers, those white-collar workers who work hard for student loans and rent, they are not our enemies. They are also our comrades. Their boss is our enemy.

The Chinese government is also well aware that this is the only way to survive, and it will not establish a new world order through violence like the United States.

 

[ety]

I never understood the dislike of the Japanese and Koreans towards China. It was the Japanese that were the aggressors and occupiers of Korea, China and much of East Asia. They killed millions of innocent civilians.

The same China has also impacted those countries culturally more than the other way around historically.

Those same people (Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans - to an extent even the Mongols) have no closer kin (outside of themselves) than the Chinese either.

You are all mostly Atheists, share similar religions (albeit differences) with similar philosophies. You look alike as well in the great scheme of things. You live in the same neighborhood.

Do you think that it is due to Japanese, Koreans being distrustful of one-party regimes and communism? Or is that used as an excuse? Or is this all the work of the US installing pro-US regimes in South Korea, Japan etc. due to how history unfolded?

Or is the hostility much deeper and bound in historical events that far predate WW2 events?

For me as an outsider it is very difficult to understand how come a country and civilization like China, with 1.5 billion people (!!!) has not a much, much bigger influence on their own region and vicinity. And why that was neither the case prior to WW2 and the century of humiliation.

Once again I believe it is due to the state philosophy of China itself for most of its recorded history of being very inward looking and considering China as the center of the world. I never understood why the Chinese, Japanese etc. were not far more adventurous and expanding on a global scale (since millennia ago). In fact out of all East Asians the Mongols were the ones that were the by far most expanding but it was relatively short-lived and extremely bloody. Not a very good example of successful empire building in terms of civilizational, cultural, linguistic, religious etc. impact.

I think this hesitation can still be seen in today's Chinese foreign policy and national psyche which was my main point in the previous discussion.

I think this behavior is a bad thing not only for China but the world as a whole because by all accounts plurality (political, economic, military) is better than a singularity on a global scale.

Because absolute power and dominance corrupts and we have many such examples from recent US history to the detriment of itself and those countries it attacked because nobody could stop them from doing what they pleased.

Behavior like this thread is about (Maduro kidnapping) also erodes internal law and how little it was implemented. It basically makes the world a bigger jungle than it already is. It aids Zionist/Israeli behavior because they can always say that everyone is doing whatever they want to anyway without any consequences etc. It is a bad development for the rest of the world and a potentially very dangerous one too.

As for Japan and Korea, there elements of pretty much everything you mentioned. they are basically US stooges, obeys America whims. They also might not particularly like Communism as they are taught in their societies. Some historical grudges against Chinese Empire in the past may exists in the minds of some people in Vietnam and Korea, but the Japanese maybe mostly jealousy.

Chinese Empire was not overly extended in the past also had something to do with Chinese state philosophy, esp Confucianism. Chinese civilization was/is basically founded on the the principle of moderations, that was certainly unlike the Mongol Empire. Also, China before was not that homogeneous as a modern day European country or US.

 

[_Arabia_]

The world is absurd now.

Many people who claim to be anti authoritarian advocate for a unipolar world. The so-called centralized state is striving for a multipolar world.

Many countries that advocate for freedom suppress different values, including socialism, while so-called non free countries allow freedom of speech and dissemination of all values such as capitalism.

dude, This world should not be like this, and human civilization should not develop in this way. Whether it is China or the United States, any country that becomes a world power center will be a disaster for humanity. It will inevitably fall like the United States after 1991, ultimately harming all humanity, including itself. China cannot become the next America. If China follows the old path of the United States, humanity will completely lose hope.

The potential of China is too great. If it becomes a fallen empire, there will be no next savior, including the Chinese people. Everyone will be enslaved by the future fallen Chinese elite and there will never be hope. For humanity to have a future, it must move towards a multipolar world. There can be no more super hegemony.

The Chinese government is also well aware that this is the only way to survive, and it will not establish a new world order through violence like the United States.

I am in favor of a multipolar world as well as I wrote and I hope that China for the sake of China and its people and the wider world will not commit some of the mistakes (many) of the US and past empires, Arab ones included.

History can be used for many things, a curiosity, a movie that likes to repeat itself but also and maybe more importantly as a lesson for humanity to learn from and improve from.

Despite the absurdity of our world and existence and the widespread differences in ideology, religion, race, personality, appearance and what not between us, we have more core beliefs that we share and innate desires that we tend to pursue in a different manner depending on the country, civilization etc.

But we all want much of the same at the end of the day and that should be the guiding light of the world as in international political community.

Maybe the much feared AI revolution will improve the world as much technological progress has been doing for a long time, some also in a more harmful way.

One thing I know though, and that is that Arabs and Chinese should continue to work together for the betterment of our countries and people and do that in a peaceful and cordial manner as has been done so far throughout most of history.

KSA is now one of the few countries in the world where some provinces have been mandated (obligatory) to teach Mandarin alongside Arabic and English from kindergarten age pupils. China for example is the largest trade partner of KSA. I think that the Arab world can learn a lot from the Chinese model.

 

[_Arabia_]

As for Japan and Korea, there elements of pretty much everything you mentioned. they are basically US stooges, obeys America whims. They also might not particularly like Communism as they are taught in their societies. Some historical grudges against Chinese Empire in the past may exists in the minds of some people in Vietnam and Korea, but the Japanese maybe mostly jealousy.

Chinese Empire was not overly extended in the past also had something to do with Chinese state philosophy, esp Confucianism. Chinese civilization was/is basically founded on the the principle of moderations, that was certainly unlike the Mongol Empire. Also, China before was not that homogeneous as a modern day European country or US.

I find this entire topic fascinating.

But it still baffles me that there is not this greater sense of East Asian unity in one way or another. Does it even exist, this idea, of some kind of shared civilization, culture, ancestry, history, despite separate states, languages, ethnic groups etc.? In the Arab world, due to millennia old very close civilizational ties on almost all fronts (linguistic, religious, ancestral, tribal/clan, racial, geographical etc.), even though we are divided into 20 + states nowadays and overall in a very bad period historically, (despite some positives and progress), this idea of a shared identity is very deep. To an extent you could argue it transcends ethnicity in the region (MENA) as well. There is also the spiritual connection within the Muslim world.

Somehow as an outsider, maybe I am wrong here, I don't really see this much in East Asia.

You also see this among Africans/Black people. Despite Africa being the most ethnically and linguistically diverse area on the planet, they often talk about their shared African culture etc.

If I was a Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese etc. I would look at China as a civilizational partner that I share much more with than say the US/West/others and look at China and Chinese people in favorable light despite maybe disagreeing with the one-party system or communist system or whatever.

Do the average Chinese feel any kinship of any kind to the average Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean, Mongol etc. or is too much bloody and controversial recent history (WW2 etc.) derailing such possible sentiments etc.

Also how does China view events in Venezuela? Are some analysts complaining that China was too passive as well?

PDF is interesting for this very reason, that we can have such exchanges with people of completely different countries that are longer in format than just the usual social media stuff or personal interactions which rarely discuss such topics in depth. A shame that such forums are dying, this will make meaningful exchange between people more difficult. Not often you can have 10-20 different nationalities discuss events in Venezuela and numerous other topics at the same time in a relatively cordial manner despite some disagreements.

 

[MH.Yang]

I am in favor of a multipolar world as well as I wrote and I hope that China for the sake of China and its people and the wider world will not commit some of the mistakes (many) of the US and past empires, Arab ones included.

History can be used for many things, a curiosity, a movie that likes to repeat itself but also and maybe more importantly as a lesson for humanity to learn from and improve from.

Despite the absurdity of our world and existence and the widespread differences in ideology, religion, race, personality, appearance and what not between us, we have more core beliefs that we share and innate desires that we tend to pursue in a different manner depending on the country, civilization etc.

But we all want much of the same at the end of the day and that should be the guiding light of the world as in international political community.

Maybe the much feared AI revolution will improve the world as much technological progress has been doing for a long time, some also in a more harmful way.

One thing I know though, and that is that Arabs and Chinese should continue to work together for the betterment of our countries and people and do that in a peaceful and cordial manner as has been done so far throughout most of history.

KSA is now one of the few countries in the world where some provinces have been mandated (obligatory) to teach Mandarin alongside Arabic and English from kindergarten age pupils. China for example is the largest trade partner of KSA. I think that the Arab world can learn a lot from the Chinese model.

The friendship between China and the Arab world has been over 1300 years, and both sides have conducted extensive cultural and trade exchanges through the Silk Road. The Silk Road witnessed the golden age of China and the Arab world.

Chinese people generally have a favorable impression of countries such as Saudi Arabia, and we also hope to see the Arab world reunite and become a pole of human civilization. China has also helped the Arab world through diplomatic means such as mediating the Iran Saudi conflict.

But China and the United States are different.

 

[Viet]

Every empire has its heights, lows, decline and eventual collapse. This is the way of life.

US, like any other previous empire, has done plenty of good and plenty of bad.

The decline of the US, at least in the past 20-30 years, is due to the rise of other powers, China included, the US becoming too arrogant, many failed and costly military interventions (Iraq, Afghanistan, previously Vietnam etc.), a in many ways sick/corrupt financial system, erosion of the middle class and other factors.

We could also talk about demographical factors which is controversial but nevertheless correct in many ways. The predominantly White America is declining while Latin Americans are increasing.

Many factors, yet the US remains the economic, cultural and military power of the world. For now at least.

Personally I do not think that either the US nor China can afford a direct prolonged US-China war. Which is why, despite all the rivalry, China and the US remain the two largest trade partners of the world.

As I see it, Trump has started a more isolationist branch of US politics that will continue after him. Also due to the realization that US power is/will be declining further in the future in a more multipolar world with a rising Arab world, Africa, India/South Asia and others in the future. Just due to demographics alone.

However AI could also change this development for good and bad for everyone involved. We do not know yet.

So my prediction is that the US will remain emperor in the Western Hemisphere while slowly being pushed back by China in East Asia. Some compromise could be even reached.

Russia on the other hand will continue to decline and I predict that Russia will return to the Western/European fold that it belongs to culturally, linguistically, religiously, ethnically and geographically (90% of Russians live in European Russia) but under a new more pro-West/EU/NATO regime rather than the current oligarchy. It will not be fully accepted by the West due to 200 + years of mistrust between Russia and Europe but it will eventually occur.

Also because most European/Western conservatives want to see it happen because they consider Russia to be a White Christian country and given the demographical challenges of the West there is also a racial element here.

The door, Russia can return to Europe is closed. There is no way out. In 2-3 years the process is complete. Russia will be a part of Asia.

Europe continues to be on the declining trend.

China is a complicated story. If it can find a way to integrate Japan, Vietnam and Korea into it’s sphere then it can challenge the US in the world. extremely difficult but success or not success depends much on the Chinese themselves.

The US is extremely divided it has extreme poles. Few extreme rich people, vast extreme poor people. The have and then have not. The 1 percent rules the country those people want to expand the empire.

 

[newb3e]

Israel and USA lost its PR war.
world will unite against them in next twenty years

we recommended Nobel prize for US president,US has its supporters!

 

[MH.Yang]

I find this entire topic fascinating.

But it still baffles me that there is not this greater sense of East Asian unity in one way or another. Does it even exist, this idea, of some kind of shared civilization, culture, ancestry, history, despite separate states, languages, ethnic groups etc.? In the Arab world, due to millennia old very close civilizational ties on almost all fronts (linguistic, religious, ancestral, tribal/clan, racial, geographical etc.), even though we are divided into 20 + states nowadays and overall in a very bad period historically, (despite some positives and progress), this idea of a shared identity is very deep. To an extent you could argue it transcends ethnicity in the region (MENA) as well. There is also the spiritual connection within the Muslim world.

Somehow as an outsider, maybe I am wrong here, I don't really see this much in East Asia.

You also see this among Africans/Black people. Despite Africa being the most ethnically and linguistically diverse area on the planet, they often talk about their shared African culture etc.

If I was a Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese etc. I would look at China as a civilizational partner that I share much more with than say the US/West/others and look at China and Chinese people in favorable light despite maybe disagreeing with the one-party system or communist system or whatever.

Do the average Chinese feel any kinship of any kind to the average Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean, Mongol etc. or is too much bloody and controversial recent history (WW2 etc.) derailing such possible sentiments etc.

Also how does China view events in Venezuela? Are some analysts complaining that China was too passive as well?

PDF is interesting for this very reason, that we can have such exchanges with people of completely different countries that are longer in format than just the usual social media stuff or personal interactions which rarely discuss such topics in depth. A shame that such forums are dying, this will make meaningful exchange between people more difficult. Not often you can have 10-20 different nationalities discuss events in Venezuela and numerous other topics at the same time in a relatively cordial manner despite some disagreements.

The reason why East Asia has not achieved unity is because China was also a shameless jerk during the imperial era.

Koreans, Vietnamese, and Japanese are actually the few survivors left after the chaos among many ethnic groups in East Asia. South Korea survived by being a vassal and 事大主义, Vietnam survived by being a vassal and resisting tenaciously, and Japan survived by being the sea. It is understandable that these countries are filled with fear and hostility towards China.

 

[chinasun]

That’s basically what the Chinese offered Pakistan with their CPEC 10 years ago. Fast forward to 2026, the country is now effectively back to US dependence already after that failed Chinese experiment.

Some Pakistani scholars believe the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor has failed—what reasons do they give for its failure? Since 1947, Pakistan has maintained a close relationship with the United States.

 

[gambit]

The Donroe Doctrine by comparison is without any principles & thus following in the footsteps of old might is right "rule" of the criminal Mafias and Dons.

And what 'principles', to use the word generously, based the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

'Might is right' or 'Might make right' are empty platitudes. Overdone like how Trump like his steaks. Like it or not, in international affairs, might is the only thing that matter and Trump learned from history.