PAF Conducts Successful Test Launch of Taimoor ALCM

[Oscar]

Yes, but I have yet to see that attitude reflected in any of the posts of @AeronautIR that I've read.

I made it very clear - I meant everyone.
And the opposite is people have egos for things that matter little.

Everyone can get into a cussing match online - welcome to -
Ive seen real world fights over "put my hand on my car".

But in Pakistan especially, I have rarely ever seen people say "I think you misunderstood" Or "I dont agree with you, you cannot convince me"

And move on. Qaumi problem.

 

[RAMPAGE]

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I see one or two faint parallels between this scene and the recent disagreement here, lol.

 

[safriz]

SUPARCO's mid-layer has its gems and have done good on a miniscule budget (once the SPD-related line-items are factored out). We should also remember that SUPARCO (and Pakistan's wider strategic pursuits) are hobbled with lots of US-led sanctions and restrictions that inhibit our ability to get instrumentation equipment and even civilian-grade CNCs. I started a year ago, and I haven't budged much in trying to get approvals to transfer some equipment to Pak due to these restrictions. We might try China though, but the regulatory process there is something else and we may need to hire a @Michael to help out.

Pai jii.
If a country of 250 million people cant make a "Khiraad machine" CNC , we rather stick to "ghulail" rather than wanting those sophisticated weapons.
With such a crippling incapacity, we should remain within our limits.

 

[JamD]

Pai jii.
If a country of 250 million people cant make a "Khiraad machine" CNC , we rather stick to "ghulail" rather than wanting those sophisticated weapons.
With such a crippling incapacity, we should remain within our limits.

We've totally gone off the rails here so wth lol
Reminds me of that joke question asked to us in our workshop class "the first lathe was made by a lathe but who made that lathe"
On a serious note I think puttputt is referring to 5 axis cnc centers used for complicated parts like microjet stages or turbine blade casts. Haas makes nice cncs in the US and have a formula 1 team too! There are a few machines at PAC that nobody can use. Of course no pvt sector company could've smuggled that in. Anyway, im just ranting.

 

[JamD]

I would say that is a common Pakistani trait.

Everyone - and I mean everyone - thinks they know it all.
No one. Not for an instant has the common sense to "think again". What if I am wrong.

Be it uncles in drawing rooms, officers in branches talking down to other officers in branches or to civilians or even car mechanics who will try to still fix something they have zero knowledge about.

This country suffers from a disease of "aqal e kul" and it goes well beyond the military.

Your point that the military comes from the society is well taken but we have to admit its quite acute in the military, right? I mean one just has to go into any SPD org to realize the disproportionate level of this trait in the faujis. Everyone has several personal stories (including me). I mean I don't want to put blinders on just to be "fair to both sides".

 

[Dreamer]

It is true that military people have certain mindset which can be frustrating sometimes but all I see here is some people actually showing intolerance to @AeronautIR expressing his opinions. You guys can thing he's wrong and you could possibly be right too BUT you could reply respectfully and agree to disagree rather than gang up on a person just because you disagree.

It seems that it is the 'civvies' here who are unwilling to listen to any alternate viewpoint, whereas they mostly accuse military types of doing the same.

Getting unduly personal and showing arrogance instead of listening to his viewpoint doesn't make you guys look good at all. People of different backgrounds have different thinking and that is not limited to Pakistan. You will find this concept the world over. So everyone needs to understand this and present their viewpoint while showing respect to others.

 

[Michael]

We might try China though, but the regulatory process there is something else and we may need to hire a @Michael to help out.

LOL.
Although I know this is a form of sarcasm directed at me, I won't get angry.

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In every thread about Pakistan, we see arguments between Pakistanis with differing viewpoints. From politics to the military, from war to technology ...... every thread ......

Chinese people also frequently argue on social media. But our approach is somewhat different.
For example, the Taiwan issue: Is unification by force better, or is peaceful unification better?
Chinese people hold two different opinions on this. But we usually delve deeper into the discussion. For instance, we conduct in-depth analyses of issues such as military deployment and costs, international influence, post-war reconstruction, and the continuity of national policies. People think about many real-world problems through these debates.
We don't let the arguments remain superficial.

 

[Gripen9]

99 % of Qatar manholes are from India.

@JamD @Ak01 @puttputt You have made your points. Gentleman from armed forces wont budge from their PoV's and from dismissive attitude. One great example is the crude and crass behaviour of @Maarkhoor. He acts like a subedaar most of time. @AeronautIR sahab is from elite institution with polished behavior. So he engages with respect and patience. But the biases and dismissive attitude wont go away. Lets agree to disagree and move on. You cant convince each other. Then dont criticize each other personally. Criticize those who made this culture in institutions and keeping this culture alive.

Subedar Markhor

More like Hawaldar.... #achasorry

 

[Bratva]

Subedar Markhor

More like Hawaldar.... #achasorry

Subedar rhymes with Jamadar. Was trying to be polite with Subedar rank.

 

[Samurai]

I would say that is a common Pakistani trait.

Everyone - and I mean everyone - thinks they know it all.
No one. Not for an instant has the common sense to "think again". What if I am wrong.

Be it uncles in drawing rooms, officers in branches talking down to other officers in branches or to civilians or even car mechanics who will try to still fix something they have zero knowledge about.

This country suffers from a disease of "aqal e kul" and it goes well beyond the military.

In short Pakistani are like "Main expert hu, mereko sab pata hay".

 

[Bilal]

restrictions. We might try China though, but the regulatory process there is something else

Many be engage through our embassy there? Commercial Attache ko kam pe lagain thora.

 

[RAMPAGE]

LOL.
Although I know this is a form of sarcasm directed at me, I won't get angry.

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In every thread about Pakistan, we see arguments between Pakistanis with differing viewpoints. From politics to the military, from war to technology ...... every thread ......

Chinese people also frequently argue on social media. But our approach is somewhat different.
For example, the Taiwan issue: Is unification by force better, or is peaceful unification better?
Chinese people hold two different opinions on this. But we usually delve deeper into the discussion. For instance, we conduct in-depth analyses of issues such as military deployment and costs, international influence, post-war reconstruction, and the continuity of national policies. People think about many real-world problems through these debates.
We don't let the arguments remain superficial.

He wasn't being sarcastic. He actually complimented your knowledge of the Chinese industry, which may or may not be deserved. Such patronising essays are precisely why the people here find you unpalatable. Your criticisms of Pakistan are not unmerited. However, what is repugnant is how they are always accompanied by boasts of your country's achievements and the many virtues of your countrymen.

I must say this is very much contrary to the attitude that Chinese officials have towards Pakistan. It is little better than the attitude of the average Chinese netizen towards Pakistan, possibly worse.

I hope your machine translator can deliver the sentiment in my post faithfully.

 

[Khanivore]

View attachment 169774

@JamD target data upload or something else?

Looks like mission programming/diagnostics run.

 

[Psyko70]

Respectfully, I dont find Taimoor ALCM to be something of significance that this thread has 43 pages of discussion with half about taimoor and rest about who has more knowledge and who has not.

My future take is on Fatah systems or alike with longer ranges in future.

If I have mistaken taimoor with raad or scalp like systems then its a good platform but not game changer.

Please correct me if it is really a system to be game changer. I understand that I cannot be "Mr. know it all".

 

[Michael]

He wasn't being sarcastic. He actually complimented your knowledge of the Chinese industry, which may or may not be deserved. Such patronising essays are precisely why the people here find you unpalatable. Your criticisms of Pakistan are not unmerited. However, what is repugnant is how they are always accompanied by boasts of your country's achievements and the many virtues of your countrymen.

I must say this is very much contrary to the attitude that Chinese officials have towards Pakistan. It is little better than the attitude of the average Chinese netizen towards Pakistan, possibly worse.

I hope your machine translator can deliver the sentiment in my post faithfully.

1. Different cultural backgrounds lead to completely different perspectives on the same events. At least in my opinion, this is ironic. If I am wrong, I apologize.

2. I have no intention of mocking, despising, or holding any other negative thoughts or attitudes towards Pakistan. If you perceive this, please refer to point one. I hope Pakistan can move forward more rationally, instead of remaining stuck in meaningless disputes.

I don't want to continue this pointless argument. If any of my words touch upon sensitive topics in Pakistan, please point them out to me, and I will gladly correct them.

That's all.