JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Yasser76]

Btw why no senior Air Staff officer with CAS? Usually two stars and three stars accompany CAS on such foreign tours.

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Think the one nearest the photo may be PSO, he has no blue tabs on collar unlike others, from what I can make it he seems Wing Commander rank

 

[Yasser76]

All this sudden interest in JF-17 when we have been marketing it for years shows how important combat proven systems are, and confirms the drubbing we gave IAF.

Certainly if BD and Saudi orders come in we will have issues on manufacturing enough airframes quickly enough and obtaining Russian engines. Hope this has been thought through.....

 

[side-winder]

Think the one nearest the photo may be PSO, he has no blue tabs on collar unlike others, from what I can make it he seems Wing Commander rank

CAS's PSO (personal staff officer) is Air Commodore (one star).

The other PSOs (principal staff officers) which i was referring to as senior air staff officers, are Deputy Chiefs (2 stars / 3 stars) e.g DCAS Ops, DCAS Engg, DCAS AD, DCAS P etc.

 

[VCheng]

Everything was/is hardly hunky dory - after all the human resources limitations will always be there. But the “good enough” rapport has been established even vis a vis used F-16s because they bring their own baggage.

However, barring the J-10s because they are “new and few” - F-16s still hold the highest availability rate of any aircraft in PAF.

I can agree with this conclusion. The JF-17 is "good enough".

 

[hasssanali8998]

I don't like it's side profile.

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[Ali_Baba]

If the Saudis are going for JF-17 Thunders, it means they have doubts about Western military reliance.

I think it shows that they are a) looking to operationalise the mutual defence treaty with military capability b) are looking for a "workhorse" jet to do lower tier missions more cheaply than a big F15S can do c) buy into the JF17C ecosystem to develop home grown munitions which they can easily integrate themselves etc ie grown her local aviation industry.

The Saudi fleet is all Tier#1 and very expensive to operate. They are looking for something similar to what they had with F-5s when they were in the Saudi fleet?

btw - The Tornadoes are end of life btw, so they do need to replace the function of those jets with a platform. The UK has retired them, Germany is moving towards retirement as are Italy. Saudi have 81 of them to replace.

( I am still sceptical, but the above are some logical reasons why they may want to procure ).

 

[HRK]

The JF-17 has no space in RSAF as a trainer, they locally produce HAWK AJT... im going to write this off id think. I dont think a re export to sudan is on the cards either.

Bro you are rights in fact there is no other argument against your point.

"if this news is true which seems it is as confirmed by the two different sources from armed forces to the correspondent of "Dawn Newspaper" who publish it in today's circulation.

This simply indicates that PAF may see an active deployment of it's Assets and personals in KSA, and for this purpose it will use equipment it is already using.

PAF could not use F-15 or Euro fighter of RSAF, so JF-17 for PAF in KSA is the only option which mean JF-17 in KSA would not be used by Saudi Royal Air force but by PAF.

This is the only scenario I could think

 

[Ali_Baba]

Anyway I fixed it.

The people who designed the JF17 are the same people(clowns) who thought that external hinges were an appropriate design choice for the canopy mechanism on the two seater JF17B for something designed in the lasts few years(!!!!!) .. go figure.

btw - "Fat Amy" ie F35 has the same issue and that works very well too.

 

[Mav3rick]

Bro you are rights in fact there is no other argument against your point.

"if this news is true which seems it is as confirmed by the two different sources from armed forces to the correspondent of "Dawn Newspaper" who publish it in today's circulation.

This simply indicates that PAF may see an active deployment of it's Assets and personals in KSA, and for this purpose it will use equipment it is already using.

PAF could not use F-15 or Euro fighter of RSAF, so JF-17 for PAF in KSA is the only option which mean JF-17 in KSA would not be used by Saudi Royal Air force but by PAF.

This is the only scenario I could think

Why can the PAF Pilots, deputed to Saudi Arabia, not use F-15's or EF??

 

[Ali_Baba]

All this sudden interest in JF-17 when we have been marketing it for years shows how important combat proven systems are, and confirms the drubbing we gave IAF.

Certainly if BD and Saudi orders come in we will have issues on manufacturing enough airframes quickly enough and obtaining Russian engines. Hope this has been thought through.....

The manufacturing line was sized for 50 units/year(and they shut down half the time but the jigs/equipment is still there), so the limitation on filling up the line has
always been money for the PAF and orders overseas. I don't see this being an issue therefore.

I am not convinced on the Libyan order yet, would be interesting to see if/when it falls through.

 

[Yasser76]

I think it shows that they are a) looking to operationalise the mutual defence treaty with military capability b) are looking for a "workhorse" jet to do lower tier missions more cheaply than a big F15S can do c) buy into the JF17C ecosystem to develop home grown munitions which they can easily integrate themselves etc ie grown her local aviation industry.

The Saudi fleet is all Tier#1 and very expensive to operate. They are looking for something similar to what they had with F-5s when they were in the Saudi fleet?

btw - The Tornadoes are end of life btw, so they do need to replace the function of those jets with a platform. The UK has retired them, Germany is moving towards retirement as are Italy. Saudi have 81 of them to replace.

( I am still sceptical, but the above are some logical reasons why they may want to procure ).

Yeah, lets not forget they operated a high-low combo of F-15 and F-5 for many years.

JF-17 was basically designed as a F-5/MIG-21/F-7/Mirage III replacement

 

[Yasser76]

The manufacturing line was sized for 50 units/year(and they shut down half the time but the jigs/equipment is still there), so the limitation on filling up the line has
always been money for the PAF and orders overseas. I don't see this being an issue therefore.

I am not convinced on the Libyan order yet, would be interesting to see if/when it falls through.

Lets see, whenever we have announced orders they seem to materialise. Ramping up to 50 a year would solve many issues

 

[hussain0216]

I would not be surprised if at the end of the day the Libya thing goes nowhere.

It's possibly a UAE sweetener to get us onside, when that failed it predictable that the deal won't go forward

 

[HRK]

Why can the PAF Pilots, deputed to Saudi Arabia, not use F-15's or EF??

Third party usage restrictions .... No one allow it

 

[Aliso5]

The manufacturing line was sized for 50 units/year(and they shut down half the time but the jigs/equipment is still there), so the limitation on filling up the line has
always been money for the PAF and orders overseas. I don't see this being an issue therefore.

I am not convinced on the Libyan order yet, would be interesting to see if/when it falls through.

And now we are getting order from one country per week. Wondering who's next on the list.