Venezuela - US Conflict: News, Updates

Meanwhile chinese government busy doing propaganda..

Analysts in China described Venezuela’s air defences – which rely largely on Russian technology – as “full of flaws and slow to react” amid the modern surveillance, cyber, and electronic warfare displayed by US forces in Saturday’s operation in Caracas.



Will they response for failures of Chinese radars and air defence systems from a few months continuously

China’s Anti-Stealth JY-27 Radar Flops In Venezuela? Did F-22, F-35 “Hunter” Got Hunted By USAF, Experts Decode​

As so called claims -
The JY-27 is a Chinese-made VHF-band radar system developed by the China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC). Venezuela acquired several units of these radars over the past few years as part of its air defence modernization.

Designed to detect low-observable aircraft like the US F-22 and F-35 by operating at meter-wave frequencies that, in theory, exploit resonance effects on stealth designs, the JY-27 has been marketed by Beijing as an “anti-stealth” or “stealth hunter” radar.

In 2016, for instance, China claimed that its JY-27A radar can detect stealth targets like the F-22 Raptor. At that time, it was reported that China might have used the JY-27A or YLC-8B – or both together – to detect the stealth fighters from more than 250 kilometres away.

LOL, it's always the stupid Raj-hindustani that jump on the wagon immediately, like I always said, you shouldn't belong to a serious defence forum but twitter bot trolling level or youtube comment section, at least have some common sense.


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Must you come into every thread and "Redeem" with such nonsense posts?
I wouldn’t have posted anything if Chinese government media hadn’t targeted Russia first.

They selectively criticize Russia even though they themselves have sold high-profile radar systems. They openly question the credibility of Russian systems, so why can’t I do the same?

Shouldn’t the same rules apply to them as well?
 
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I wouldn’t have posted anything if Chinese government media hadn’t targeted Russia first.

They selectively criticize Russia even though they themselves have sold high-profile radar systems. They openly question the credibility of Russian systems, so why can’t I do the same?

Shouldn’t the same rules apply to them as well?
The JY-27 refers not to a singular radar system but a family of different sensors spanning over 20 years in design & development; the variant that Venezuela received was delivered in the mid-2000s and one of the oldest of the series.

The anti-stealth - or so claimed - variant of the JY-27 series was not developed until early 2020s and is not equipped by Venezuela. Think of the JY-27 as the radar equivalent of the F-16 series; capabilities and technology vary widely between the first and latest iterations.

Plus, as other observers have pointed out, it is impossible to gauge the performance of these radars when little to nothing is known about their engagement in this operation, assuming that they were turned on or used at all.
 
The JY-27 refers not to a singular radar system but a family of different sensors spanning over 20 years in design & development; the variant that Venezuela received was delivered in the mid-2000s and one of the oldest of the series.

The anti-stealth - or so claimed - variant of the JY-27 series was not developed until early 2020s and is not equipped by Venezuela. Think of the JY-27 as the radar equivalent of the F-16 series; capabilities and technology vary widely between the first and latest iterations.

Plus, as other observers have pointed out, it is impossible to gauge the performance of these radars when little to nothing is known about their engagement in this operation, assuming that they were turned on or used at all.
My only point is that when chinese made JY-27A was delivered in 2010s, not taking about (JYL-1) which was delivered in 2006.

Similar way Russian delivered in 2013 - S300vm. Isn't the same logic, it's a old technology.

As chinese media is blaming on Russian technology for failures - isn't failures of Chinese technology as well?


2025, Venezuela fielded Russian-made S-300VM long-range missile systems, Buk-M2E medium-range missiles, Igla-S short-range air defences and Soviet-era Pechora systems.

Complementing these were Chinese-made radar arrays, including the JY-27A counter-stealth radar and JYL-1 long-range surveillance systems, along with FK-3 medium-range missile batteries deployed to protect key infrastructure.

Officials repeatedly claimed these systems formed a layered, integrated air defence network capable of countering stealth aircraft and deterring foreign intervention

See the reports - all other sources are saying failurers of both but chinese media started doing propaganda by saying - no no, failures of Russian systems
 
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U.S. President Donald J. Trump stated during tonight’s interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity, that special operations and land strikes are going to begin soon against the Cartels in Mexico. Talks with the Mexican Government regarding such operations have been ongoing now for nearly a year, with missions likely to be alongside or in support of Mexico’s Secretariat of National Defense.
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I thought the most Trump would do in Venezuela was to hit cartel factories and avoid Venezuela military I thought all those US military assets were a show of force so him saying strikes in Mexico are happening soon I have to believe him that he is not bull chitting. Haven't seen an uptick of marine helicopters flying over my house so when he says soon it's likely couple months away or more.


Hitting cartels is the story they tell for low IQ public consumption. Trump has pardoned drug mafia bosses. Giving a heads up notice just ensures all the drug lords go into hiding. Hitting the cartels is just power projection to ensure local regimes are subservient to American hegemony and the New American Colonial Century.

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@AZ_HighCountry has given a good answer. I think an impeachment is possible if some grave, proven crime is done and/or there is a large Democratic presence in the Congress after the mid-term.
Talking about impeachment is a waste of time. The political divide is so much that if Nixon were to do Watergate now he'd get away from his '3rd rate burglary'. Haha!

The Dems are on it as well. It's good cop, bad cop game to keep low IQ people confused.

The Monroe Doctrine is at play. Colonialism is back.
 
My only point is that when chinese made JY-27A was delivered in 2010s, not taking about (JYL-1) which was delivered in 2006.

Similar way Russian delivered in 2013 - S300vm. Isn't the same logic, it's a old technology.

As chinese media is blaming on Russian technology for failures - isn't failures of Chinese technology as well?


2025, Venezuela fielded Russian-made S-300VM long-range missile systems, Buk-M2E medium-range missiles, Igla-S short-range air defences and Soviet-era Pechora systems.

Complementing these were Chinese-made radar arrays, including the JY-27A counter-stealth radar and JYL-1 long-range surveillance systems, along with FK-3 medium-range missile batteries deployed to protect key infrastructure.

Officials repeatedly claimed these systems formed a layered, integrated air defence network capable of countering stealth aircraft and deterring foreign intervention

See the reports - all other sources are saying failurers of both but chinese media started doing propaganda by saying - no no, failures of Russian systems
You're better off taking these "reports" with a healthy dose of salt, regardless of their opinions on Chinese or Russian equipment. The JY-27 delivered to Venezuela is one of the earliest variants in the series and there is no evidence that Venezuela operates the FK-3.
 
My only point is that when chinese made JY-27A was delivered in 2010s, not taking about (JYL-1) which was delivered in 2006.

Similar way Russian delivered in 2013 - S300vm. Isn't the same logic, it's a old technology.

As chinese media is blaming on Russian technology for failures - isn't failures of Chinese technology as well?


2025, Venezuela fielded Russian-made S-300VM long-range missile systems, Buk-M2E medium-range missiles, Igla-S short-range air defences and Soviet-era Pechora systems.

Complementing these were Chinese-made radar arrays, including the JY-27A counter-stealth radar and JYL-1 long-range surveillance systems, along with FK-3 medium-range missile batteries deployed to protect key infrastructure.

Officials repeatedly claimed these systems formed a layered, integrated air defence network capable of countering stealth aircraft and deterring foreign intervention

See the reports - all other sources are saying failurers of both but chinese media started doing propaganda by saying - no no, failures of Russian systems
So your conclusion is that Other countries should acquire cow dung powered radars. They are the most advanced.
 
Once the static radar locations of Venezuella were mapped the pods on growlers jammed the S, X band radars and communications very effectively. The locations of the radars were known prior to the attack and signals were sent there to blind them completely with ease. The hits after the jamming mentioned in the article shows that they were used in a static location much before the conflict started. Growlers can jam radars real time as well but knowing the precise locations of radars helped a lot to increase the jamming capacity-range

Russia for example although seems to be far behind in ecm tech than Usa, it is still capable of jamming Ukraine radars but we dont see many examples of it(even on shorter range Ukranian systems) or anti radar missile hits since Ukraine does not use their radars in easy but very vulnurable open-forget mode like Venezuella did. They carry them around frequently.

The weakest link was S,X band radars that were necessary to track targets after JY-27 vhf scanning radars get rough position data. Those were the main targets that were jammed. Lower resolution of vhf and longer wavelength radars dont make them suitable for tracking but for scanning only. I dont think jamming was the main problem for JY-27 in the conflict. You need much larger antennas on growlers wings to generate 1-2 meter+, longer wavelengths. Maybe it can generate 1-1.5 meter wavelength signals to jam the JY-27 but the antenna needs to be suitable for that. It is harder to jam by smaller platforms carrying antennas mainly designed to jam X-S band radars. Another Problem with vhf radars is they are bulky and heavy systems to transport around. Possibly after jamming X-S band radars long range precision strikes by kamikaze drones, cruise missiles finished JY-27s, other long wavelength radars and opened way for fighter planes to enter freely completely blinding the ad network.
 
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Trump Signals Land Strikes on Cartels After Maduro Operation

Donald Trump



President Donald Trump said the US military was preparing for strikes against drug cartel facilities, just days after he ordered an operation to capture Venezuelan strongman Nicolas Maduro.

“We are going to start now hitting the land with regard to the cartels,” Trump said Thursday in an interview with Fox News.

Trump has previously ordered aerial strikes against more than a dozen boats the Pentagon says were trafficking drugs, and cited efforts to combat narcoterrorism as partial justification for the Maduro operation. Since then, he has indicated that while the US would consider using the military to secure the cooperation of the interim government in Caracas, that he was hopeful he would not need to order additional military action.

Still, he has for months signaled a willingness to target drug manufacturing facilities in other countries, including Colombia and Mexico.

Trump’s remarks Thursday come despite the president sending optimistic signals following a phone call with Colombian President Gustavo Petro on Wednesday. After their conversation, Trump posted on social media that he appreciated Petro’s “call and tone.”
 
were the tingling felt by ground troops and people due to the growler just spitting waves?
 
Growler does not have a long wavelength jamming pod to blind JY-27 unless it is a confidential new system. Actually it is hard to do that considering the necessary 1m+ antenna size on the jamming pod. It requires a much larger ew aircraft than f18 growler. Also the reciever antenna to get radar position needs to be 1m+ which can be carried by only much larger ew aircraft.

The problem with long wavelength radars is their low resolution and heaviness. The resolution in current models are somewhat improved to provide scanning data to engagement-tracking radars but still the vehicles are too heavy to move around after installation.

Methods should be developed to rapidly close them and transport-install them in new locations every hour or less. Enemy ew-elint aircraft getting radar position data by long wavelength 1m+ reciever antennas would also be low resolution data just like the radars themselves. But spy sats are a problem if the vehicle stays at the same place for too long they will be detected for sure. Enemy elint mapping resolution can also be reduced further by decoy broadcast fm-vhf transmitters since the 1m+ antennas cannot be made high resolution.

Older long wavelength radars can still be detected-mapped by elint though. They rotate in a circular pattern and when the beam hits 2-3 aircraft the radar position can be estimated easily. New long wavelength radars use active electronically scanning and they can change the scanning pattern frequently so the radar cannot be located easily that way.
 
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