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On the Weibo platform, this blogger specializes in tracking developments related to COMAC. He has special connections with official institutions. The information he publishes is more comprehensive and accurate than that released by official sources.

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That’s info from a blogger, not from the company itself.
By the way there is a problem with the URL. I can open it but OpenAI can’t. China firewall obviously blocks access from certain countries. So for me not possible to accurately assess and verify the information. Anyway the number is creditable so I believe Ok.

 

[Michael]

That’s info from a blogger, not from the company itself. Anyway the number is creditable so I believe Ok.
By the way there is a problem with the URL. I can open it but OpenAI can’t. China firewall obviously blocks access from certain countries. So for me not possible to accurately assess and verify the information.

China has multiple social media platforms. Government agencies and businesses use different platforms for publishing official statements. Some social media platforms are not very accessible to foreign visitors.

On the Weibo platform, many bloggers specialize in aggregating information. They forward information from official institutions on corporate social media platforms to Weibo. The content and data are reliable.

Currently, no one on this forum has reported any issues accessing the Weibo platform. The problem might be on your end.

 

[Viet]

China has multiple social media platforms. Government agencies and businesses use different platforms for publishing official statements. Some social media platforms are not very accessible to foreign visitors.

On the Weibo platform, many bloggers specialize in aggregating information. They forward information from official institutions on corporate social media platforms to Weibo. The content and data are reliable.

Currently, no one on this forum has reported any issues accessing the Weibo platform. The problem might be on your end.

You don’t understand. We talking about non Chinese speakers.
I can access the URL you posted: https://m.weibo.cn/u/2668536505?&jumpfrom=weibocom
as well as the main page https://m.weibo.cn/
But OpenAI can’t. It shows a blank page when trying to open. As such nobody can’t read thus verify the information. But no worry, as I assessed the page and said the information seems accurate, google search engine takes it, OpenAI takes it, so many more people know it.

 

[MH.Yang]

That’s info from a blogger, not from the company itself.
By the way there is a problem with the URL. I can open it but OpenAI can’t. China firewall obviously blocks access from certain countries. So for me not possible to accurately assess and verify the information. Anyway the number is creditable so I believe Ok.

Weibo has no firewall, foreigners can access it freely. You are either spreading rumors, or your network is having issues.

 

[Viet]

Weibo has no firewall, foreigners can access it freely. You are either spreading rumors, or your network is having issues.

Are you serious? Of course 99.99% Weibo has firewall, China has firewall, China internet breakout is centralized with most points based in HK.
Seems I know China more than you. That shocks me a bit. No, I don’t have network issue. I found a way to verify the data I made screenshots from Weibo.

 

[Michael]

Are you serious? Of course 99.99% Weibo has firewall, China has firewall, China internet breakout is centralized with most points based in HK.
Seems I know China more than you. That shocks me a bit. No, I don’t have network issue. I found a way to verify the data I made screenshots from Weibo.

This problem is indeed a personal issue for you.

The Weibo platform has always been accessible, regardless of your location.

Your problem is that OpenAI cannot access the Weibo platform.

The root of the problem lies in the access permissions between software from different technology companies. This is a "negative aspect" of the global technology industry; it exists not only in China but also among all technology companies worldwide.

Similarly, many Chinese software applications cannot directly access data from Twitter or other English-language social media platforms. Android cannot directly access iOS data, and so on.

For technology companies' software to access each other's data, they need to reach an agreement and open the corresponding data interfaces. Without such an agreement, or if the two companies are competitors, this mutual access is not possible.

 

[Viet]

This problem is indeed a personal issue for you.

The Weibo platform has always been accessible, regardless of your location.

Your problem is that OpenAI cannot access the Weibo platform.

The root of the problem lies in the access permissions between software from different technology companies. This is a "negative aspect" of the global technology industry; it exists not only in China but also among all technology companies worldwide.

Similarly, many Chinese software applications cannot directly access data from Twitter or other English-language social media platforms. Android cannot directly access iOS data, and so on.

For technology companies' software to access each other's data, they need to reach an agreement and open the corresponding data interfaces. Without such an agreement, or if the two companies are competitors, this mutual access is not possible.

Sorry but what you said makes no sense. As a matter of fact we use the same internet language regardless of location or technology. It’s always either http or https, in the case of Weibo it uses https. The content, no matter what, is inside of http or https packets.
If a user can’t read the content then it’s most likely blocked by filters or firewall.
So in the case of openAI. It can see the https packets but no content (blank page).
We are off topic.

 

[Michael]

Sorry but what you said makes no sense. As a matter of fact we use the same internet language regardless of location or technology. It’s always either http or https, in the case of Weibo it uses https. The content, no matter what, is inside of http or https packets.
If a user can’t read the content then it’s most likely blocked by filters or firewall.
So in the case of openAI. It can see the https packets but no content (blank page).
We are off topic.

You claim to be an engineer. I believe you should demonstrate the rigorous attitude expected of an engineer.

All AI tools access social media data using official API interfaces provided by social media platforms or third-party web scraping tools.
All social media platforms provide corresponding data interfaces. However, other companies can only use these data interfaces under certain conditions, depending on the regulations of each social media company.
Using self-developed web crawlers to privately access data from other social media platforms without permission is an illegal "hacking" activity.

Sometimes, you don't notice this because these companies have already reached agreements. Therefore, you think it's a simple and natural thing. But not all companies have these friendly and open agreements.

For example,

On this forum, if you directly post a Twitter link or a YouTube link, the forum will directly display the content of the tweet without requiring you to click on the link. This is because the forum administrator has directly called the API interfaces of these platforms in the forum's backend.
However, if we post a Weibo link, the forum will only display a link. If you want to know the specific content, you must click on the link to access the content. This is because the administrator has not called the Weibo API interface.

 

[Viet]

You claim to be an engineer. I believe you should demonstrate the rigorous attitude expected of an engineer.

All AI tools access social media data using official API interfaces provided by social media platforms or third-party web scraping tools.
All social media platforms provide corresponding data interfaces. However, other companies can only use these data interfaces under certain conditions, depending on the regulations of each social media company.
Using self-developed web crawlers to privately access data from other social media platforms without permission is an illegal "hacking" activity.

Sometimes, you don't notice this because these companies have already reached agreements. Therefore, you think it's a simple and natural thing. But not all companies have these friendly and open agreements.

For example,

On this forum, if you directly post a Twitter link or a YouTube link, the forum will directly display the content of the tweet without requiring you to click on the link. This is because the forum administrator has directly called the API interfaces of these platforms in the forum's backend.
However, if we post a Weibo link, the forum will only display a link. If you want to know the specific content, you must click on the link to access the content. This is because the administrator has not called the Weibo API interface.

I am not only talking of AI but google search engine. Weibo is a public website, it’s public accessible so as such google doesn’t need Weibo consent to scrawl and index all contents. That’s the system consent globally. Maybe China is different? then you can explain.

API you mentioned is designed for application and software developers, third party providers. AI, google or other search engines don’t dock into Weibo nor alter any content on Weibo.

In short google, AI don’t need approval from Weibo or Chinese authority to scrawl and index the data. Of course Weibo has the right to block access to its data without consent from certain countries without notifying them. That’s apparently here in the case.

 

[Michael]

I am not only talking of AI but google search engine. Weibo is a public website, it’s public accessible so as such google doesn’t need Weibo consent to scrawl and index all contents. That’s the system consent globally. Maybe China is different? then you can explain.

API you mentioned is designed for application and software developers, third party providers. AI, google or other search engines don’t dock or alter any content on Weibo.

Search engines and AI tools are exactly the same in this respect. You either use the official API provided, or you use third-party scraping tools.

Google is very powerful. They have their own web crawling tools. Baidu also has its own web crawling tools. Many other search engines also have their own web crawling tools.
Many websites and social media platforms are open to search engine crawlers by default, meaning they allow search engine crawlers to access their data.
However, not all platforms are open to them.

The general rules are:
Small companies will proactively share their data with large companies for free, or even pay to do so.
Large companies will provide their data to small companies for a fee.
Large companies need to negotiate with each other.
This is the result of business negotiations. Political intervention occurs occasionally.

If you've done related work yourself, you'll know this. You can choose whether or not to open your data to these search engine crawlers. If you don't, they won't be able to access your data. That is, users won't be able to access your website's data through search engines.

In China, Douyin and WeChat remain incompatible with each other. The two companies have gone through multiple rounds of negotiations, but so far, no agreement has been reached.
JD.com and WeChat. In the early days, JD.com and Tencent were highly competitive, and their platforms were incompatible. Later, the two companies reached a strategic cooperation agreement. Currently, their platforms are deeply integrated.

 

[Viet]

Search engines and AI tools are exactly the same in this respect. You either use the official API provided, or you use third-party scraping tools.

Google is very powerful. They have their own web crawling tools. Baidu also has its own web crawling tools. Many other search engines also have their own web crawling tools.
Many websites and social media platforms are open to search engine crawlers by default, meaning they allow search engine crawlers to access their data.
However, not all platforms are open to them.

The general rules are:
Small companies will proactively share their data with large companies for free, or even pay to do so.
Large companies will provide their data to small companies for a fee.
Large companies need to negotiate with each other.
This is the result of business negotiations. Political intervention occurs occasionally.

If you've done related work yourself, you'll know this. You can choose whether or not to open your data to these search engine crawlers. If you don't, they won't be able to access your data. That is, users won't be able to access your website's data through search engines.

In China, Douyin and WeChat remain incompatible with each other. The two companies have gone through multiple rounds of negotiations, but so far, no agreement has been reached.
JD.com and WeChat. In the early days, JD.com and Tencent were highly competitive, and their platforms were incompatible. Later, the two companies reached a strategic cooperation agreement. Currently, their platforms are deeply integrated.

Baidu is Chinese, google is not Chinese, you don’t see the difference? Yes they are search engines but they are not the same.
Google engine can’t access Weibo content and data because Weibo requires user authentication, JavaScript, robots.txt, location verification.
Back to thr topic, a Chinese blogger posted a news on Weibo about Comac, nobody outside China knows it.

 

[Michael]

...... a Chinese blogger posted a news on Weibo about Comac, nobody outside China knows it.

I know you're very interested in China.

In modern Chinese culture, narrow nationalism has virtually no influence (it exists, but its impact is minimal). We are more pragmatic.

Vietnam imports many core components from China, assembles them into finished products, and then markets these high-tech products to the world under Vietnamese brands. In many cases, Vietnamese companies deliberately conceal information about their Chinese suppliers to emphasize the appeal of "Made in Vietnam." ------ The same thing happens in many countries around the world. But nowadays, Chinese people don't really care about these issues.

COMAC serves corporate and national-level clients. They don't target the general public. These types of companies don't like to publish overly detailed information on social media. This is not unique to China; similar companies in other countries do the same. Ordinary people are unaware of many of the world's top companies in various industries.

The true giants always remain hidden from the public eye.

If you don't research these things, of course, you wouldn't know.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China’s UUV don’t use Zeiss optics? Ah come on, when coming down to high precision optics and mechanics nobody can beat Germany and Japan. That’s the reality.

Airbus made 766 aircraft in 2025. How many Comac aircraft China made last year? Nobody knows because China doesn’t report the number. Obviously you have a problem with mass production. if China just expands production to Vietnam we will produce I don’t know let take the number, 100 jets a year for you. What we need is as always money and technology.

China's aerospace industry is currently focusing on military, but the civilian part will also pick up once it got mature.

 

[Viet]

I know you're very interested in China.

In modern Chinese culture, narrow nationalism has virtually no influence (it exists, but its impact is minimal). We are more pragmatic.

Vietnam imports many core components from China, assembles them into finished products, and then markets these high-tech products to the world under Vietnamese brands. In many cases, Vietnamese companies deliberately conceal information about their Chinese suppliers to emphasize the appeal of "Made in Vietnam." ------ The same thing happens in many countries around the world. But nowadays, Chinese people don't really care about these issues.

COMAC serves corporate and national-level clients. They don't target the general public. These types of companies don't like to publish overly detailed information on social media. This is not unique to China; similar companies in other countries do the same. Ordinary people are unaware of many of the world's top companies in various industries.

The true giants always remain hidden from the public eye.

If you don't research these things, of course, you wouldn't know.

What you mean with narrow nationalism?

Publishing the production number is not nationalism less narrow. Comac is a state company. probably because the production rate disappoints that may explain Ccp does not want to publish. Another reason, Comac is sanctioned by the US, China stops publishing production figure.

Yes that’s true every Viet is interested of China including myself for different reasons. But today most think Korea is more sexy. Anyway I have refuted your claims about bias, information bubble.

 

[Michael]

What you mean with narrow nationalism?

Publishing the production number is not nationalism less narrow. Comac is a state company. probably because the production rate disappoints that may explain Ccp does not want to publish. Another reason, Comac is sanctioned by the US, China stops publishing production figure.

Yes that’s true every Viet is interested of China including myself for different reasons. But today most think Korea is more sexy. Anyway I have refuted your claims about bias, information bubble.

Narrow-minded nationalism is exactly what your thinking represents. Despite my detailed explanations, you persist in this way of thinking.

1. COMAC is an international commercial company. They don't directly deal with the general public. Therefore, whether they disclose more information to the general public is not a crucial matter.
Chinese people have never been disappointed with COMAC's development. We understand the difficulty involved. Their current production volume is indeed low. But judging from the current progress, they are developing very quickly.

2. All Chinese state-owned enterprises publish annual reports, which are summaries of their work for the year. Most of them publish these reports on WeChat official accounts, not Weibo. WeChat official accounts have the technical advantage of being able to directly connect to enterprise-level ERP systems, a feature not available on any other social media platform. However, there are some technical barriers for foreigners accessing this platform. Therefore, many Chinese bloggers repost the content to Weibo.
This phenomenon is very common in Chinese social media.

3. Don't attribute everything related to China to the CCP. This is a typical characteristic of "narrow-minded nationalists" like you. The CCP is not involved in these trivial matters.

4. The US-China competition is a fact. But China hasn't refused to release a lot of data because of this. It's just that people like you don't pay attention to it.

Please follow the objective laws of development.