Turkish UAV/UCAV Projects

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what does this mean ?

Kızılelma can see F16V + Rafale at 125km meanwhile they cut see until 67/62km?

Kızılelma has a extremely ultra low cross section

it would be very hard to detect and shoot this UCAV down

imagine a squadron of Kızılelma flying towards their manned fighter jets

If everything goes according to plan, this will be the world’s first fully autonomous unmanned combat aircraft. It will be an unmanned combat aircraft equipped with an AESA radar, capable of carrying air-to-air missiles, featuring an internal weapons bay and stealth characteristics. How such an aircraft will be employed is still unclear. To be able to use this platform effectively, we will need to develop an entirely new doctrine from scratch

 

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what does this mean ?
Kızılelma can see F16V + Rafale at 125km meanwhile they cut see until 67/62km?
Kızılelma has a extremely ultra low cross section

it would be very hard to detect and shoot this UCAV down

4,5th gen Fighters such as F-15EX , F-16V , RAFALE , SU-35 , J-10C have very big RCS to compare with stealth KIZILELMA

therefore , KIZILELMA will have the first see, first fire and first kill capability

imagine a squadron of Kızılelma flying towards their manned fighter jets

Turkiye can produce 7 KIZILELMA in price of 1 RAFALE

Imagine , 7 KIZILELMA ( armed with 28 BVR air to air Missiles ) flying with Boeing E-7T AEWC

KIZILELMAs will turn off their AESA Radars and to use E-7T AEWC's AESA Radar to detect the RAFALES from 300+ km away and to fire 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missiles to turn 24 RAFALEs into scrap of metal in BVR combat


RAFALE Pilots will be shot down before they see the KIZILELMA on their radars

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KIZILELMA will carry 4 BVR air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability

or 8 BVR air to air Missiles in beast mode

4 internal
4 external

 

[falcon34]

4,5th gen Fighters such as F-15EX , F-16V , RAFALE , SU-35 , J-10C have very big RCS to compare with stealth KIZILELMA

therefore , KIZILELMA will have the first see, first fire and first kill capability




Turkiye can produce 7 KIZILELMA in price of 1 RAFALE

Imagine , 7 KIZILELMA ( armed with 28 BVR air to air Missiles ) flying with Boeing E-7T AEWC

KIZILELMAs will turn off their AESA Radars and to use E-7T AEWC's AESA Radar to detect the RAFALES from 300+ km away and to fire 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missiles to turn 24 RAFALEs into scrap of metal in BVR combat


RAFALE Pilots will be shot down before they see the KIZILELMA on their radars

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KIZILELMA will carry 4 BVR air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability

or 8 BVR air to air Missiles in beast mode
View attachment 171752
4 internal
4 external
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@AeronautIR
Is PAF looking into this kinda platform or the current focus will be on manned fighters such as J10Cs and J35s.

 

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it would be very hard to detect and shoot this UCAV down

ANKA-III flying wing stealth UCAV has a lower RCS than the KIZILELMA
( ANKA-3 is thought to have an RCS similar to the F-35 )

and ANKA-III to gain air to air combat role with MURAD-100A AESA Radar Integration

That means good luck to F-15EX , F-16V , RAFALE , SU-35 in the region

ANKA-II will carry BVR air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability

Türkiye's ANKA III Stealth Drone Set to Gain Air-to-Air Strike Role With MURAD AESA Radar Integration

Türkiye is preparing to integrate ASELSAN’s MURAD AESA radar on the ANKA III stealth UCAV, opening the door to air-to-air combat roles.

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[AeronautIR]

@AeronautIR
Is PAF looking into this kinda platform or the current focus will be on manned fighters such as J10Cs and J35s.

PAF is working on these projects in collaboration with BayKar. ISR UAV, UCAV, loitering munition and FPV drones are already in service.

Manned-Unmanned teaming is an integral part of our airpower doctrine. Swarm drones and loyal wingman will be employed along with fighter jets.

 

[hyperman]

ANKA-III flying wing stealth UCAV has a lower RCS than the KIZILELMA
( ANKA-3 is thought to have an RCS similar to the F-35 )

and ANKA-III to gain air to air combat role with MURAD-100A AESA Radar Integration

That means good luck to F-15EX , F-16V , RAFALE , SU-35 in the region

ANKA-II will carry BVR air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability
View attachment 171762

Türkiye's ANKA III Stealth Drone Set to Gain Air-to-Air Strike Role With MURAD AESA Radar Integration

Türkiye is preparing to integrate ASELSAN’s MURAD AESA radar on the ANKA III stealth UCAV, opening the door to air-to-air combat roles.

www.armyrecognition.com

Anka 3 with AESA and BVR kills anything Greece can deploy against it in BVR, even the F-35. That RCS is going to be incredibly small with no vertical stabilizers and without a cockpit. The only worry is stability in flight with a tailless design and close range combat and speed.

 

[Afif]

Anka 3 with AESA and BVR kills anything Greece can deploy against it in BVR, even the F-35. That RCS is going to be incredibly small with no vertical stabilizers and without a cockpit. The only worry is stability in flight with a tailless design and close range combat and speed.

I very much doubt Anka 3 can kill F35 on its own. Its power plant is inefficient in electricity generation, its radar is small and weaker.

 

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MURAD-100A AESA Radar is not small and is not weaker than F-35's AN/APG-81 AESA Radar

KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 uses same Engine
Moments when the MURAD-100A AESA Radar integrated into KIZILELMA scans the area within a range of 230 km




When the F-35 activates its Radar, F-35 will become a target for the ASOJ-23A stand off Jammer Aircraft which can jam enemy Radars from 400 km away

Boeing E-7T AEWC and ASOJ-23A to serve as standoff jammer platforms to improve ANKA-III survival by jamming the enemy's Radars

 

[hyperman]

I very much doubt Anka 3 can kill F35 on its own. Its power plant is inefficient in electricity generation, its radar is small and weaker.

The powerplant doesn't matter in BVR, we are talking about who detects who first and who fires first. And as time goes on, it will be fitted with even longer BVR missiles that will match or exceed the Meteor. We talk also talking networked warfare with Data Link as it likely won't even turn on its AESA to not give away positioning. Thats what warfare it moving towards, Radio silence and just getting in position to launch missiles via Data link guidance from AWACS and missiles with their own seekers.

 

[Afif]

The powerplant doesn't matter in BVR, we are talking about who detects who first and who fires first. And as time goes on, it will be fitted with even longer BVR missiles that will match or exceed the Meteor. We talk also talking networked warfare with Data Link as it likely won't even turn on its AESA to not give away positioning. Thats what warfare it moving towards, Radio silence and just getting in position to launch missiles via Data link guidance from AWACS and missiles with their own seekers.

That's why I said on its own. Powerplant matters very much. It is directly tied to how much electricity generated. Which in turn power avionics, sensors and cooling system.

Also F35 has the most sophisticated networking and sensor fusion of any air platform today.

Anyway, These comparisons with world most advanced 5th gen platform that has gone through numerous major upgrades and has been produced in thousand with an experimental aircraft lack substance.

 

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We talk also talking networked warfare with Data Link as it likely won't even turn on its AESA to not give away positioning. Thats what warfare it moving towards

TURAF getting all these capabilities to match with the F-35

ANKA-III with smaller RCS + MURAD-100A AESA Radar + Data-Links + ASOJ-23A jammer Aircraft

even Boeing E-7T AEWC with AESA Radar or TF-2000 Destroyer with CAFRAD AESA Radar or SIPER Air Defense System with ALP-300G AESA Radar can guide BVR air to air Missiles to be fired from ANKA-3 to hit the F-35

All units will work as a single weapon

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sensor fusion from air-land-naval platforms + Data Links+ Turkish software + Electronic Warfare

Therefore , NATO selected Turkish HAVELSAN software, which received the highest technical score in its evaluation.

 

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[hyperman]

That's why I said on its own. Powerplant matters very much. It is directly tied to how much electricity generated. Which in turn power avionics, sensors and cooling system.

Also F35 has the most sophisticated networking and sensor fusion of any air platform today.

Anyway, These comparisons with world most advanced 5th gen platform that has gone through numerous major upgrades and has been produced in thousand with an experimental aircraft lack substance.

The comparison is a tailless air platform launching BVR missiles vs one that isn't tailless. The RCS advantage is clearly with the tailless delta wing.

 

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I'm still waiting to hear news about Baykar Jet Engines.

 

[Oublious]

I'm still waiting to hear news about Baykar Jet Engines.

They started yesterday lol, give it a time at least 4 years so they can come with a working prototype.