PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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In fact not really, up to Batch 03 the usual number was 40 per Batch (Batch 02 was an exception and hat maybe even 80) ... from Batch 05 on, the individual highest cn. seen was 0X25 within Batch 08.

As such I think 40 maybe but that depends on the number of aircraft actually ordered! If there is only a small batch of additional ones for the PAF, the number could be quite small, if there is indeed a not yet disclosed order for another country, it could be larger or even huge! It all depends on the numbers ordered.

But per my understanding we have no hard facts available and nowadays the media is more out for clicks & attention and reports without checking the facts, which again is spread even further by the social media. In essence we have the following more or less credible claims:

  • Sudan ... was once reported I think two years ago, since then NOTHING!
  • Egypt ... was hyped as a given fact by local media and several fan-boys as if even local production would be granted, since then NOTHING! (but allegedly F-15 preferred now)
  • Indonesia ... officially admitted but later again recalled! Seems IMO one of the most likely deals, but unsure if refurbished old J-10A or factory-fresh J-10CE
  • Uzbekistan ... often rumoured as the likely true first customer after Pakistan
  • Tanzania ... something of a wild-card, but indeed not impossible according to my information.
All other reports like North Korea, Algeria and whatever are IMO not credible or possible.

Surely @Michael can correct me or explain better.
I honestly don't know the answer to this question. I don't usually pay attention to this kind of information.

What I do know is that in the actual production process of Chinese military industrial enterprises, the quantities in each batch are not the same. This is closely related to the improvement and upgrade system.
Generally, when the improvement and upgrade batches are completely identical, the quantities in each batch are basically the same. However, if they are different, the quantities in each batch will also vary.
 
All indian aircraft that have ever flown since 1947 come with that.
And I know one should never underestimate the opposition, and I don't actually. It's just that sometimes I simply can't resist.
 
no worries, let them waste their money on overhyped french shit.

dear friend,
how do you rate the Mirage III and V that the PAF operates and is gradually retiring? we were so proud to operate them. i have heard pilots giving comments and their love for those mirages.

what if we acquired Rafale? we certainly would excel with that French shit in the skies.

we failed IAF, they were unaware of our capabilities and the assist we enjoyed in the warfare, bringing a surprise in May 2025, and it is commendable.

they will pace it up to match those capabilities and they will display them, sooner or later.

i would respect IAF for that. it was a time when PAF was lacking every capability, including BVR, as compared to IAF and we faced the consequences.

i remember how we waited since late 90s till we came up with JF-17 get matured with some other goodies. Feb 2019 was a remarkable display of PAF's capabilities, although wasn't enough ass-whooping for Modi.
 
What is on the centre pylon???

That's not centre pylon.

J-10 has 5 fuselage pylons and 6 wing pylons.

5 fuselage pylons (D, E and F) have two forward ones (D) and two rear ones (E) and one centre pylon (F). Centre pylon is usually for fuel tank but can also carry two PL-15 missiles staggered so fins don't overlap.

The four forward and rear pylon pairs are only for small bombs or pods. What is shown in the model is probably a pod of some sort maybe EW.

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Centre pylon using dual rack for missiles:

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Images reveal a new batch of J-10CE fighters undergoing testing ahead of future deliveries to foreign customers

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In recent days, various images have begun circulating on social media showing Chengdu J-10CE fighters undergoing testing phases, suggesting the preparation of a new batch with a view to future deliveries to foreign customers. So far, it has not been officially confirmed who the final recipient of these aircraft would be, with secrecy maintained regarding the origin of the potential contract.

The J-10CE represents the export version of the single-engine multirole fighter developed by China’s aeronautical industry and is one of the main defense products that Beijing offers on the international market. At present, Pakistan is the only confirmed foreign operator of this variant, which was incorporated into its Air Force as part of a process to modernize its combat fleet.

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Bangladesh as a possible customer
In this context, various reports indicate that China may be finalizing details for a potential sale of 20 J-10CE fighters to the Bangladesh Air Force, which would make the Asian country the second international customer for the model. The operation would require an estimated investment of USD 2.2 billion and would be framed within the modernization program currently being pursued by that service.

The Bangladesh Air Force currently operates around 44 combat aircraft, of which 36 correspond to J-7 fighters, a Chinese-origin model that Beijing is in the process of converting into unmanned platforms. If the agreement were to be finalized, local reports indicate that its execution would take place between fiscal years 2026 and 2027, and would include not only the supply of aircraft, but also personnel training and support for maintenance tasks.

For the moment, it has not been confirmed whether the potential contract would be structured as a direct purchase or under a government-to-government scheme. Nevertheless, the possibility is mentioned that payments could be spread over ten fiscal years, with the aim of reducing the impact on Bangladesh’s defense budget.

At the same time, the modernization process of the Bangladesh Air Force has also opened space for Western competitors. In this regard, a Letter of Intent (LOI) was recently signed aimed at positioning the Eurofighter Typhoon as the main candidate in a potential acquisition of multirole fighters, which would have relegated the Chinese J-10CE within the selection process.

The signing took place at Bangladesh Air Force headquarters and was attended by the Italian ambassador, Antonio Alessandro, and the Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Hasan Mahmood Khan, among other authorities. Italy’s diplomatic presence is explained by the role of Leonardo, the company leading negotiations on behalf of the Eurofighter consortium and which holds a 21% stake in the program.

It should be recalled that delegations from the Bangladesh Air Force visited Leonardo’s facilities in Turin earlier this year, where they evaluated the production and operational capabilities of the European fighter. These precedents allow for the consideration that, should this option move forward, assembly of the aircraft could take place in Italy.

Operational background of the J-10CE
International interest in the J-10CE has also been influenced by its reported performance in a real conflict. During the recent clashes between Pakistan and India, J-10CE fighters of the Pakistan Air Force and PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles, both of Chinese origin, are reported to have played a relevant role in aerial engagements.

While the so-called “fog of war” persists and there has been an intense information campaign by both sides, various sources indicated that the Indian Air Force may have suffered at least five shoot-downs, some of which are attributed to the use of J-10CE aircraft armed with PL-15 missiles. Among the most frequently mentioned episodes is the alleged shoot-down of up to three French-origin Rafale fighters, although there is no official confirmation regarding the exact causes behind the loss of those aircraft.

The involvement of the J-10CE/PL-15 combination was initially corroborated through the discovery of fragments of Chinese-made missiles in different areas of Indian territory. According to available reports, the air forces of both countries are said to have operated exclusively within their own airspace, which limits accessible information and makes records fragmented and subject to censorship.

As new images and reports continue to emerge, the final destination of the batch of J-10CE fighters currently undergoing testing remains unconfirmed, in a scenario in which South Asia is shaping up as one of the main focal points of interest for the international expansion of this Chinese fighter.

 
That's not centre pylon.

J-10 has 5 fuselage pylons and 6 wing pylons.

5 fuselage pylons (D, E and F) have two forward ones (D) and two rear ones (E) and one centre pylon (F). Centre pylon is usually for fuel tank but can also carry two PL-15 missiles staggered so fins don't overlap.

The four forward and rear pylon pairs are only for small bombs or pods. What is shown in the model is probably a pod of some sort maybe EW.

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Centre pylon using dual rack for missiles:

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Means J-10CEs can carry at least 6 PL15Es.........wonder if in future they can carry the same number of longer range PL16/17s? For 300km BVR ranges?
 
Means J-10CEs can carry at least 6 PL15Es.........wonder if in future they can carry the same number of longer range PL16/17s? For 300km BVR ranges?


Again, I would be careful ... these belly-twin-pylon adapters have so far only been seen on a static specimen at an Air Shown loaded with PL-12!
We have NO INFO SO FAR it is in service already, it is used by Pakistan or if it could also carry two PL-15!

And please ... check the size of a PL-17! that's plain impossible!
 
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