Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

Fight till they leave, like Afghanistan. That's it. Or become like Syria.

Afghanistan does not have oil and gas. Afghanistan does not have dozens of separatist movements inside. You cant compare Irans situation to that of Afghanistan. But still, becoming Afghanistan is not exactly a victory.

 

[mangekyo]

It's the same script as for Syria if you look well :

- Armed "rioters" breaking down civilian infrastructure & attacking people
- Orchestrated "chemical" (or lookalike) attack against civilians

It is. Even Protesters shooting other protesters to blame security forces is straight out of Syria.

 

[KingQamaR]

Does Iran have the ability to target an aircraft carrier? With ballistic middle hypersonic vehicle's?

Iran needs to bag something significant. Hitting empty airfields doesn’t do it anymore.

All Iran needs to do is just knock it out of the fight. Put a hole in the runway. Stopping its ability to launch aircraft. Sinking it, would mean American going full war.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

If they want war then Iran should send 1 carrier sinking to the bottom of the ocean with Hypersonics. Show Trump that he won't have his way all the time, and humble him very dearly. These self-important scum with delusions of grandeur needs to suffer a beatdown before they get a reality check.

Well you can then kiss every exposed critical infrastructure in Iran bye bye to make up for a multibillion loss by the US. Every power plant, shipping port, oil terminal, oil processing facility, etc turning Iran into Afghanistan.

You can claim this&that about the US but wrecking everything in Iran is not on the list…unless provoked.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Does Iran have the ability to target an aircraft carrier? With ballistic middle hypersonic vehicle's?

Iran needs to bag something significant. Hitting empty airfields doesn’t do it anymore.

so, it turns out, it is a question of IR firing heavy and many BM salvos!

but, that is not practically possible, so war of attrition on the cards and in that case, IR wins!

IR strategy: Save BM and target HVT with least amount of BM

Goodluck USA!

 

[tsunset]

Does Iran have the ability to target an aircraft carrier? With ballistic middle hypersonic vehicle's?

Iran needs to bag something significant. Hitting empty airfields doesn’t do it anymore.

Yes it can, even sink an entire CSG if it wants to

But it can't, because Iran doesn't want to, fearing the retaliation that would ensue

 

[Ali_Baba]

Yes it can, even sink an entire CSG if it wants to

But it can't, because Iran doesn't want to, fearing the retaliation that would ensue

Why is Iran's responses less stronger than the Houthi's managed ? Houthi's even threw the kitchen sink at the USN hoping to sink their A/C. The Houthi's had at one point 2 (or 3 ) A/C to deal with and they did.

When the Houthi's attacked the A/C, that then led to the lost of some Hornets(rolled off due to aggressive manoeuvring), then why should Iran have a response that is weaker ?

 

[Master Chief]

If they want war then Iran should send 1 carrier sinking to the bottom of the ocean with Hypersonics. Show Trump that he won't have his way all the time, and humble him very dearly. These self-important scum with delusions of grandeur needs to suffer a beatdown before they get a reality check.

Iran will be more sensible than this I imagine.

A message can be delivered to Trump, along the lines of his misadventures will have too great an ECONOMIC cost implication for USA, without any need for rash manoeuvres as you are suggesting.

There are ways to manage escalation ladders without panicking and "firing all missiles!".

Nobody wants Iran becoming a another Afghanistan.

 

[Meengla]

Its not going to be a symbolic strike. Maybe that’s what they believe in Iran? Either they are overconfident and think they can handle full firepower from US/Israel. Or they have no confidence and stuck in decision paralysis.

Right. IF an attack by Israel-America happens next, it will be the war which has been desired for the last near half a century with the target to turn Iran into another fragmented, toothless Middle Eastern country/countries.

 

[ToddE]

Anti Shipping Ballistic Missile package of IRGCASF + IRIN + IRGCN

EO/IIR guided Persian Gulf missile (Quasi BM Endoatmospheric MaRV) .... 350 KM

Passive Anti-Radiation Hormuz 1 and 2 (Quasi BM-Separating Endoatmospheric MaRV) .... 350 KM

EO guided Zolfaghar Basir (Quasi BM-Separating Endoatmospheric MaRV) .... 750 KM

EO/IIR guided Datalinked Qasim Basir (Quasi BM-Separating Endoatmospheric MaRV, possible KE gain Skip capability) ... 1200 KM

L-INS guided Hypersonic Fattah Skip Glide Missile ... 1600 KM

 

[mangekyo]

Yes it can, even sink an entire CSG if it wants to

But it can't, because Iran doesn't want to, fearing the retaliation that would ensue

So what’s actually the better form of deterrence here?

1. Take the hits and respond with small symbolic strikes, hoping the other side loses interest and moves on.

2. Hit back as hard as possible to force a stalemate, betting that once the costs rise, Trump rethinks and pulls back.

Iran already tried giving the U.S. an off-ramp with the response in Qatar. That clearly didn’t work, since they’re back again.

There’s also a real use-it-or-lose-it problem here.

Once the missile sites are destroyed and more chaos is set in motion, there’s really no backing down at all. Trump doesn’t respect weakness. Every time Iran tried to give him an off-ramp, he came back and hit harder.

Pretending Trump is going to back down because Iran sets a few refineries on fire is wishful thinking. A couple of damaged refineries and a spike in oil prices is a price Israel will make the West pay if the outcome is eliminating Iran.

Honestly, I don’t really see a solution here. It feels like all paths lead to the same place. At this point, it just looks like the end.

 

[ToddE]

Anti Shipping Ballistic Missile package of IRGCASF + IRIN + IRGCN

Anti Shipping Cruise Missile (AShCM) package of IRGCASF + IRIAF + IRIN + IRGCN

Abu Mehdi ARH Datlinked CM 1000 KM

Qadr 380-474 ARH guided Datalinked AShCM 1000+/2000 KM

Ghader ARH AShCM 330 KM

There are 5-6 more types but these are major ones.

 

[StrategicBear]

It's certain that the US military will be dealt a Bloody Nose if they attack Iran. Trump is an old man who was previously into real estate and billionaire mainstream shit that he is poorly versed in Military Knowledge and not fully aware of the wide range of retaliation options at Iran's disposal should he choose to attack Iran.

This is why China's form of governance more stable in the long term as there are no such things as elections every 4 years which produces unstable leaders who don't know right from left... Democrazy is not suitable for all societies.

 

[Meengla]

Iran already tried giving the U.S. an off-ramp with the response in Qatar. That clearly didn’t work, since they’re back again.

The Die was Cast when Israel's northern fronts (Lebanon and Syria) folded in early 2025. At that point, not only the Gaza war was lost but also the half century plan by the Israelis to totally neutralize Iran finally became within reach.
As long as Trump is the President, Netanyahu will not stop trying to finally take care of his Iran Problem.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Why is Iran's responses less stronger than the Houthi's managed ?

Because Houthis have nothing to lose. No oil & gas infrastructure, no industry, plus smaller population that is used to living in tough and poor conditions. Most of the times striking missiles at Yemen cost less damage to Yemen and houthis then the worth of missiles that were used. Just like afghanistan/taliban situation.

Whereas Iran has lot more to lose. That's why Iran never tries to mess with US and gives very very careful symbolic response in which no american life is lost.