Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

It's creating space for Russia, who is succesfully destroying whole of Ukraine as we discuss. The energy infrastructure is getting huge blows there and more lands are liberated by Russians. EU losers are hopeless, these moves wont change anything.

Not that I had any hopes of the Russians helping us. But as long as Russia stays out of our fight with Israel, US will stay out of Ukraine. IRI didn't have balls to launch a preemptive strike against Israel when US forces were still out of the region, because it would have been suicide. Well guess what, waiting for the enemy to gather all its firepower and launch at you with full power is also suicide.

 

[mangekyo]

Ive read reports about chemical weapons being used against rioters from at least 10 different sources. I think they are building up narrative for long term war/invasion. As I said, the goal is to cause a civil war and fragment Iran.

 

[KingQamaR]

Seems like it.

Having said that, if they want more than symbolic strikes, they need to operate 2 carrier groups.

Tomahawks + 1 CSG is probably not enough. Unless Trump is planning a one-and-done.

Another possibility is 1 CSG + Tomahawks from Submarines + Israeli firepower.

They don’t have a hangar ship/ navy battle group nearby, if they DO move in such a force closer to Iran, that’s when we can assume that something is going to happen. Until then, we’ll be talking about precision strikes and possibly Isreali intervention.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The leadership of Iran surely has more intel than we ordinary individuals do, yet, even a blind person can see what lies ahead. I genuinely hope that the Iranians are prepared this time.

It's not just about winning the battle either.

It's all about increasing the cost for your enemies as much as you can.

Future generations of Iranians will appreciate this, and historians will record that even when they were at their lowest and most vulnerable, they still managed to inflict significant harm on their foes. This holds equal importance in my book.

What the UK is doing from RAF Akrotiri, is "not" defending Israel, but they are "actively attacking" Iran by providing logistical aerial refuelling capabilities that will allow the Israeli Airforce to attack Iran. The same applies to Germany via the Jordanian bases as well.

 

[Cash gk]

Do you guys knows who real assassins where assassin in? Who were they?

. I support Imran Khan but I am not going join enemy forces against my homeland as protest for incarceration of Imran Khan.

I can smell munier Tati here. Bring some new idea.
Iranian war going to be a disaster for everyone and I think someone going to lose his superpower status after this war

 

[Cash gk]

Ive read reports about chemical weapons being used against rioters from at least 10 different sources. I think they are building up narrative for long term war/invasion. As I said, the goal is to cause a civil war and fragment Iran.

They creating same method like Syria. It is very familiar

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

What the UK is doing from RAF Akrotiri, is "not" defending Israel, but they are "actively attacking" Iran by providing logistical aerial refuelling capabilities that will allow Israeli Airforce to attack Iran. The same applies to Germany via the Jordanian bases as well.

I looked at this image for a minute and then realised something, the very countries that develop cutting‑edge technology to kill others are the same ones that lecture the world about morality.

When you visit these countries, people behave as if they’re extraordinarily sophisticated , dont talk loudly on the bus, dont show emotion in public, dont stare at anyone.

Frankly, I find all of this to be nonsense. It feels like being lectured by someone with two personalities: one that lies, steals, and kills, and another that preaches morality.

The hypocrisy of the English often stirs me up. During the protests, they didn’t like the disruption and claimed that such people dint deserve their democracy, even though half of Central London and Canary Wharf is owned by Muslims or foreign investors.

and when it comes to grooming gangs, all day Telegraph, Mirror and sky would run news and go silent on people like Saville (the biggest and long running grooming operation!!!!)

 

[Cash gk]

Looks like NATO is joining.

Initially, the United States considered acting alone against Iran. However, they are now including NATO. This shift is interesting, suggesting that both Israel and the US were unable to effectively handle Iran together and are now bringing whole bully pack into the equation.

 

[hussain0216]

Trump doesn't like messy, long wars. he wants quick in and out shock and awe attacks without prolonged conflict.

he also doesn't like regime change, and prefers to empower weaker elements of the existing power structure. like he abandoned Machado and Reza Pahlavi because he knows they can't really control the country, and there is a risk of total chaos.

so it's really not clear what the US hopes to achieve in such a short attack. I can only think that they want to kill Khamenei if he doesn't speak to them directly.

Israel is a wild card and has very different objectives. they actively seek chaos and destruction in Iran so they can weaken Iran permanently. if there are refugee or civil war issues that's not their problem since they are far away and don't care about stability in the region anyway. they rather live next to neighbours reduced to rubble.

It's all about Israel

The interests of millions of Iranians don't matter

The interests of hundreds of millions in the region don't matter

The interests of the U.S and it's people don't matter

Or the effect's on the world economy or people's



The only thing that matters to these people is the cancerous tumor that is the Zionist Jew state


If you get confused and think with all these risks why are they pushing for attacks, just remember the aim is simply to hit Iranian missile and nuclear sites to protect Israel in the near term at least

 

[Cash gk]

Situation in Afghanistan:
I have heard that fighting has started within the Taliban itself. If we are playing any role inside this, it could mean serious trouble ahead for us.
If Iran falls, we will be completely exposed.
And if our establishment is involved there in any way, then we are in deep trouble.
What I believe that fire going to burn us.. I wish I'm very wrong

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

... Well guess what, waiting for the enemy to gather all its firepower and launch at you with full power is also suicide.

This!
Facing the whirlwind one forgets the biggest tool to get you in line is to disarm you before firing a single shot.
The talking heads at the UN... ones working to create a pretext and a context. As illegitimate as it may be... put the onus on the victim to disprove the allegations...(weapons inspectors...)
Or, move forces in the region and soften targets... gauge response... light up the radars as in a drill... movement of troops and materiel... finding weaknesses in both armor and men...

The build-up is indeed a flex and therefore must be matched in words and deeds on its implications. Iran should not mince words in its policy and intent... leaving no room for ambiguity. That it will assumes any and all build-up as threat to its sovereignty, life, liberty and prosperity of the region at large. Establish redundancies to absorb the first, second, third, tenth or the one hundredth salvo...

This is for TV and for audiences a spectacle...(shock and awe)
sustained pain in response to disrupt it's onscreen production value makes everyone start second guessing themselves. As, Tyson says, "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face!"

Orange clown is no fan of America, has no authority to wage a war and lacks casus belli for a legitimate case both domestically and internationally... once committing an "act of war", his aim would be to immediately curb its impact and implications.

 

[hussain0216]

This!
Facing the whirlwind one forgets the biggest tool to get you in line is to disarm you before firing a single shot.
The talking heads at the UN... ones working to create a pretext and a context. As illegitimate as it may be... put the onus on the victim to disprove the allegations...(weapons inspectors...)
Or, move forces in the region and soften targets... gauge response... light up the radars as in drill... movement of troops and materiel... finding weaknesses in both armor and men...

The build-up is indeed a flex and therefore must be matched in words and deeds on its implications. Iran should not mince words in its policy and intent... living no room for ambiguity. That it will assumes any and all build-up as threat to its sovereignty, life, liberty and prosperity of the region at large. Establish redundancies to absorb the first, second, third, tenth or the one hundredth salvo...

This is for TV and for audiences a spectacle...(shock and awe)
sustained pain in response to disrupt it's onscreen production value makes everyone start second guessing themselves. As, Tyson says, "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face!"

Orange clown is no fan of America, has no authority to wage a war and lacks casus belli for a legitimate case both domestically and internationally... once committing an "act of war", his aim would be to immediately curb its impact and implications.

Iran immediately needs to go into build up mode

Declare exercises and start moving assets in preparation openly


Offence is the best form of defence



Either the U.S and lackeys believe that they will be able to defend against all these Iranian missiles or they are making a mistake

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Offence is the best form of defence

Offense is indeed the best form of defense... which is where you draw lines in the sand... implicate build-up as direct threat of violence that has been used with impunity and needs no further corroboration.

Orange clown presents his first term as one where he didn't start a war... Yet, He did! He killed Suleimani, a top official on state business, openly and brazenly. It cascaded into a trap of weakness that kept emboldening and expanding the envelope... to a point where once in the guise of talks, a decapitation strike was attempted and later by squeezing the financial muscles and openly calling for an insurrection...! Where clown is orchestrating and directing the saboteurs to take over state buildings a la January 06th. The aim is to commit a state collapse under the threshold of an unpopular full on war. An appetite of which lacks everywhere but zion... one with a ticking clock... tick tock tick tock!

 

[mangekyo]

Initially, the United States considered acting alone against Iran. However, they are now including NATO. This shift is interesting, suggesting that both Israel and the US were unable to effectively handle Iran together and are now bringing whole bully pack into the equation.

Netanyahu didnt approve Trumps attack plans. He wants full fragmentation of Iran.

The first step is to cripple all offensive capabilities and turn Iran into a war torn country with partial collapse of security forces. Thats why they involved NATO. To bomb and destroy as much as possible. Irans AD network isnt working, so they can come and bomb as they like. By taking out the BMs, they wont have to worry about any retaliation. They will bomb all infrastructure of security forces to make it easier to ship in more arms.

They already have thousands of armed agents inside as we've witnessed the past weeks. Second step is to continue arming them with heavier weapons and recruit more agents. Separatist movements, terror groups and other opportunists will take advantage of the situation. Some of the security forces will defect.

Third step is to create civil war by supporting multiple factions, provide arms and logistics to these and have them all fight IRGC, Army and kill each other. The west will provide air cover and continue to bomb IRGC and Army. Factions will take over territory and create safe zones, declare independence. After a couple years of civil war we will have a fragmented Iran with multiple small failed estates.

 

[StrategicBear]

If they want war then Iran should send 1 carrier sinking to the bottom of the ocean with Hypersonics. Show Trump that he won't have his way all the time, and humble him very dearly. These self-important scum with delusions of grandeur needs to suffer a beatdown before they get a reality check.