Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

The Intel Fabs in Israel are worth many tens of billions of dollars as one example ? Right ?

The economic value of the loss will hurt, but the loss of manufacturing capabilities will also hurt supply line and manufacturing in the USA that is dependent on those chips. If the Americans are happy to go after economic targets in Iran like oil, and oil shipments, then why not reply in kind also ?

Excellent choice of target: costly to replace, and disruptive to an entire sector of the economy.

However, anyone contemplating any such decisive action would be wise to plan out what the side side would do in response, wouldn't you agree?

Let us assume that your selected target is taken out by Iranian missiles, perhaps as a pre-emptive strike. What do you think the next steps in response could be?

 

[Meengla]

Excellent choice of target: costly to replace, and disruptive to an entire sector of the economy.

However, anyone contemplating any such decisive action would be wise to plan out what the side side would do in response, wouldn't you agree?
Let us assume that your selected target is taken out by Iranian missiles, perhaps as a pre-emptive strike. What do you think the next steps in response could be?

Good question. Simply put: Iran is unwilling to accept the carpet bombing of the whole country which will be the 'response'. But the 'response' itself is unlikely to come until there is 'provocation' such as a 'preemptive' strike by Iran. We need to watch how much, how fast assets are deployed against Iran.

 

[lightning f57]

Good question. Simply put: Iran is unwilling to accept the carpet bombing of the whole country which will be the 'response'. But the 'response' itself is unlikely to come until there is 'provocation' such as a 'preemptive' strike by Iran. We need to watch how much, how fast assets are deployed against Iran.

If Iranian oil infrastructure is targeted then that is fair game. Trumpy might go for that he wants to topple the Iranian government, if they cant export oil its pretty much game over.

 

[VCheng]

We need to watch how much, how fast assets are deployed against Iran.

I am sure that Iran is keeping a close eye on all such developments and readying potential responses as well.

 

[Meengla]

If Iranian oil infrastructure is targeted then that is fair game. Trumpy might go for that he wants to topple the Iranian government, if they cant export oil its pretty much game over.

Problem in attacking Iran: it is a large country with many dispersed military assets and the intelligence available about Iran's lethal response must not be the same as it was barely a year ago because Iran has removed a lot of spies. Iran is capable of destroying much of the region and maybe even Israel and that is almost certainly why Iran is not attacked like Iraq was attacked in 2003.

 

[mangekyo]

Problem in attacking Iran: it is a large country with many dispersed military assets and the intelligence available about Iran's lethal response must not be the same as it was barely a year ago because Iran has removed a lot of spies. Iran is capable of destroying much of the region and maybe even Israel and that is almost certainly why Iran is not attacked like Iraq was attacked in 2003.

Its not really a problem when jets and bombers can fly uncontested over Iran. Its the Achilles heel

 

[Meengla]

Its not really a problem when jets and bombers can fly uncontested over Iran. Its the Achilles heel

I thought in the 12 day war, most of the attacks were launched from outside of Iranian airspace, no? But even when the jets are inside Iranian airspace there must be some air defense system in place and also must be some missiles which would make to Israel, like happened in the 12 day war. And that's before we factor Iran choking off the trade in Persian Gulf.
I don't think Iran is such a sitting duck!

 

[lightning f57]

Problem in attacking Iran: it is a large country with many dispersed military assets and the intelligence available about Iran's lethal response must not be the same as it was barely a year ago because Iran has removed a lot of spies. Iran is capable of destroying much of the region and maybe even Israel and that is almost certainly why Iran is not attacked like Iraq was attacked in 2003.

I understand Russia is in a bind with Ukraine, but a good way to pay back the US is to transfer some high quality assets, maybe S400/S300 anti shipping missiles, Iskanders?

Its always been hard to read Russia, they are facing the hardest sanctions ever and here is a chance to really weaken your opponents and bog them down, provide an opening and distraction to finish their Ukrainian objectives.

 

[Meengla]

I understand Russia is in a bind with Ukraine, but a good way to pay back the US is to transfer some high quality assets, maybe S400/S300 anti shipping missiles, Iskanders?
Its always been hard to read Russia, they are facing the hardest sanctions ever and here is a chance to really weaken your opponents and bog them down, provide an opening and distraction to finish their Ukrainian objectives.

Bolded part: That would make an attack on Iran much more problematic!
Yes, hard to read Russia. They have been bleeding a lot because of NATO support to Ukraine but if they let go of a golden opportunity like supplying Iran with military hardware--an opportunity which would be a powerful bargaining chip on Ukraine--then I would be very surprised.
Does North Korea have powerful air defense systems to supply to Iran??

 

[lightning f57]

Does North Korea have powerful air defense systems to supply to Iran??

I dont think they have decent AD, their missiles however are something else.

 

[aerospace_enthusiast_newb]

So was Starlink really jammed or were people mostly afraid to use it due to punishment? @Persian Gulf

 

[mangekyo]

I thought in the 12 day war, most of the attacks were launched from outside of Iranian airspace, no? But even when the jets are inside Iranian airspace there must be some air defense system in place and also must be some missiles which would make to Israel, like happened in the 12 day war. And that's before we factor Iran choking off the trade in Persian Gulf.
I don't think Iran is such a sitting duck!

I believe ALBMs were launched from Iraq and over Caspian through Azerbaijan. Drones were also launched from there. They took out the AD network and entered Iranian airspace.

 

[Meengla]

I believe ALBMs were launched from Iraq and over Caspian through Azerbaijan. Drones were also launched from there. They took out the AD network and entered Iranian airspace.

But Iran was still raining missiles on Tel Aviv despite all that. Isn't Iran still capable of those attacks on Israel? It must be otherwise the war which has been postponed for nearly half a century would have happened.

 

[mangekyo]

But Iran was still raining missiles on Tel Aviv despite all that. Isn't Iran still capable of those attacks on Israel? It must be otherwise the war which has been postponed for nearly half a century would have happened.

Not after they destroyed most of the TELs and bombed the entrances to the missile bases. It would be a serious game-changer if Iran could protect the missile bases and launch sites.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

So was Starlink really jammed or were people mostly afraid to use it due to punishment? @Persian Gulf

Both. We have laws that punish possession of starlink.