Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

The ends justify the means?

I have seen videos of armed rioters firing shotguns and pistols and flamethrowers at Iranian security forces, and using axes to behead and murder others. these are acts of terrorism and the consequences for this are similar around the world. faux outrage is generated by the media's psychological and media warfare operations.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Really weird bizarre drama and hysteria created by Western and Israeli media

As if they're trying to achieve element of surprise. They aren't and don't need to. It's quite easy for them to attack Iran.

This appears more like a setup against the GCC and Saudi Arabia. They want Iran to retaliate on GCC to lower their credit rating, damage economy, and disrupt the Saudi - Egyptian - Turkish - Pakistani defense nexus that's coming into fruition.

Any first strike will take out medium and long range capabilities. Then US and Israel will give Iran plenty of time and opportunity to strike at the Gulf Arabs.

No way all this hysteria is about Iran which proved to be weak over past two years and barely able to withstand 12 days of war with Israel.

ah yes, every threat to attack Iran is actually a grand plan to weaken the West's favourite Arab slave nations. yawn.

these off topic conspiracy theories are borderline trolling

 

[kastor ville]

Didnt the last war start right atter this same goy visited Israel?

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Good eye......there is definitely something afoot. I hope the Iranian strategists are locked and loaded.

 

[VCheng]

I have seen videos of armed rioters firing shotguns and pistols and flamethrowers at Iranian security forces, and using axes to behead and murder others. these are acts of terrorism and the consequences for this are similar around the world. faux outrage is generated by the media's psychological and media warfare operations.

As you know, I appreciated the quick re-establishment of law and order within the country when it was achieved.

I am only asking you the question if you felt that the methods used - whatever they were, without any judgement on my part - were justified, given the importance of law and order.

 

[Bharatah]

They are trapped, if they threaten Usa and Israel then the western world will use this against them for propaganda and support for war, If they threaten the GCC then GCC will work with Usa, behind the scenes they all want regime change, its highly likely Israel wants iran to strike gcc bases so they can again make propaganda that iran is a threat to the world, and turn gcc against Iran. West has nukes aswell as Israel so no matter what they hold the upper hand. Iran is on the defence and hoping no attack takes place.

This is all part of a hybrid war. The truth is that they DO NOT HAVE NORMAL CAPACITIES to destroy Iran, even more so now that they have lost several spies inside.

- To achieve "regime change" in Iraq, it took 12 years of war (starting with the Gulf War in 1991 and ending in 2003/2004) with thousands of battles and embargoes killing Iraqis by starvation (and today they don't control all of Iraq).

- To achieve regime change in Syria, it took 14 years of war, starting in 2011 and ending in 2024/2025, and they don't control all of Syria. Today's Iran is infinitely stronger militarily than Syria was in 2011 or Iraq in 2003.

- To achieve regime change in Iran requires total war with soldiers, militants, and bombings, and that would take at least 20 years (starting now, with the government falling in 2045!), and in the end, they wouldn't control everything and could lose, as in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

One solution(for them) would be a nuclear war, but that would be the end of Israel, the US, and Zionist Jews as we know them; they would be hated and hunted for all eternity, and in a few decades, some Shiite would launch a nuclear weapon at Israel as a revenge(it would only be a matter of time).

Therefore, what the US and Israel will do is hybrid warfare and media manipulation, because Iran has reached a level of defense that is difficult to overcome. Look at the speed with which Iran contained the color revolution, cutting off Starlink and other satellite communications (which is unprecedented).

 

[Falcon29]

ah yes, every threat to attack Iran is actually a grand plan to weaken the West's favourite Arab slave nations. yawn.

these off topic conspiracy theories are borderline trolling

No we aren't anyones slaves. You are slaves and even gave away northern Iraq to the West, Israel and Kurds because you're afraid of him. Arabs took over all of eastern Syria back despite the US occupation being based there.

Arabs are the opposite of being anyone's slaves which is why the entire Western militaries regularly militarily subdue the region and placed Israel in the heart of the region. To try controlling Arabs not you. If these Western militaries leave Iran and Israel will have next to no power in the region.

 

[mangekyo]

To achieve regime change in Syria, it took 14 years of war, starting in 2011 and ending in 2024/2025, and they don't control all of Syria. Today's Iran is infinitely stronger militarily than Syria was in 2011 or Iraq in 2003.

How long would regime change in Syria take, if Iran hadn’t supported Assad? Assad stood because he had Soleimani.

 

[Bharatah]

How long would regime change in Syria take, if Iran hadn’t supported Assad? Assad stood because he had Soleimani.

Soleimani died in begining of 2019, Assad fell in end of 2024. Overthrowing a government is difficult, even in a small, poor country like Syria. To be more successful, the CIA orchestrates color revolutions(It's a quick method of overthrowing a government, but it tends to be difficult to implement if the country is already closed off.), for theses reasons they aren't working in Iran.

Iran is becoming an increasingly effective police state and is likely to become a new North Korea within a few decades.

 

[Persian Gulf]

No we aren't anyones slaves. You are slaves and even gave away northern Iraq to the West, Israel and Kurds because you're afraid of him. Arabs took over all of eastern Syria back despite the US occupation being based there.

Arabs are the opposite of being anyone's slaves which is why the entire Western militaries regularly militarily subdue the region and placed Israel in the heart of the region. To try controlling Arabs not you. If these Western militaries leave Iran and Israel will have next to no power in the region.

sure

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Actually you (Iranian Mullah regime and their supporter) are the one that cause that since you guys promote and support the Hamas (arm struggle) and divide Palestinian that previously under PLO (with their more pracmatic and realistic way of struggle).

Your regime doesnt care with civilians, whether in Gaza or in your country

It is very sockening that you guys still dont understand this

Do you even read what you say?

Your default position is capitulation! Eventhough you are not the one under the chopper... you want "THEM" to surrender.

They have been losing precisely because they assumed the other side as rational and reasonable. Maybe a work around can be arranged where the occupation canbe accommodated. It is abundantly clear for everyone except YOU, that zionists are not a rational actor or regime.

The only thing that can accommodate a detente is either mutual disarmament or equal armament! So an equilibrium can be reached... the only other option as playing out is a complete genocide and removal of the Palestinians from their ancestral lands, eraser of their culture and existence and replacement by another European colonial project that keeps expanding under their guise of religion, trade routes and resources.

Iran does because it is all and everything simultaneously... a civilizational state... with its identity, faith, resources and a critical geography and therefore geopolitics.

They don't need terms of surrender from you on behalf of the collective... because you do not speak for them and one who purportedly does... is a pathological conceited liar and swindler.
Besides he wouldn't need your input.
Thank you for your attention to this matter...

 

[Persian Gulf]

As you know, I appreciated the quick re-establishment of law and order within the country when it was achieved.

I am only asking you the question if you felt that the methods used - whatever they were, without any judgement on my part - were justified, given the importance of law and order.

my answer is yes, without law and order, countries will cease to exist

 

[Immortals]

How long would regime change in Syria take, if Iran hadn’t supported Assad? Assad stood because he had Soleimani.

This was Damascus in 2013, prior to Iran turning the tide:



Assad wouldn’t have made it 6 more months without Iranian, Hezbollah, and Shiite miltia assistance.

 

[VCheng]

my answer is yes, without law and order, countries will cease to exist

Fair enough.

I also hope that the government is paying serious attention to improving the economy, since it was one of the prime motivators for many to be dissatisfied with their lives and hence susceptible to wishing for a change.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Fair enough.

I also hope that the government is paying serious attention to improving the economy, since it was one of the prime motivators for many to be dissatisfied with their lives and hence susceptible to wishing for a change.

indeed, the government is failing economically

equally, we recently saw Scott Bessent brag about how US sanctions are the cause of Iran's currency crisis, so it is clear that exogenous factors play a serious role and the issues cannot be properly resolved without dealing with these factors

 

[VCheng]

indeed, the government is failing economically

equally, we recently saw Scott Bessent brag about how US sanctions are the cause of Iran's currency crisis, so it is clear that exogenous factors play a serious role and the issues cannot be properly resolved without dealing with these factors

Blaming outside forces can work only so much for the people. The primary responsibility remains internal, and that applies to every country on Earth, so please do not get offended.

After all, a better foreign policy could possibly deliver some tangible improvements, do you not agree?