Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bharatah]

They are trapped, if they threaten Usa and Israel then the western world will use this against them for propaganda and support for war, If they threaten the GCC then GCC will work with Usa, behind the scenes they all want regime change, its highly likely Israel wants iran to strike gcc bases so they can again make propaganda that iran is a threat to the world, and turn gcc against Iran. West has nukes aswell as Israel so no matter what they hold the upper hand. Iran is on the defence and hoping no attack takes place.

This is all part of a hybrid war. The truth is that they DO NOT HAVE NORMAL CAPACITIES to destroy Iran, even more so now that they have lost several spies inside.

- To achieve "regime change" in Iraq, it took 12 years of war (starting with the Gulf War in 1991 and ending in 2003/2004) with thousands of battles and embargoes killing Iraqis by starvation (and today they don't control all of Iraq).

- To achieve regime change in Syria, it took 14 years of war, starting in 2011 and ending in 2024/2025, and they don't control all of Syria. Today's Iran is infinitely stronger militarily than Syria was in 2011 or Iraq in 2003.

- To achieve regime change in Iran requires total war with soldiers, militants, and bombings, and that would take at least 20 years (starting now, with the government falling in 2045!), and in the end, they wouldn't control everything and could lose, as in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

One solution(for them) would be a nuclear war, but that would be the end of Israel, the US, and Zionist Jews as we know them; they would be hated and hunted for all eternity, and in a few decades, some Shiite would launch a nuclear weapon at Israel as a revenge(it would only be a matter of time).

Therefore, what the US and Israel will do is hybrid warfare and media manipulation, because Iran has reached a level of defense that is difficult to overcome. Look at the speed with which Iran contained the color revolution, cutting off Starlink and other satellite communications (which is unprecedented).

 

[Falcon29]

ah yes, every threat to attack Iran is actually a grand plan to weaken the West's favourite Arab slave nations. yawn.

these off topic conspiracy theories are borderline trolling

No we aren't anyones slaves. You are slaves and even gave away northern Iraq to the West, Israel and Kurds because you're afraid of him. Arabs took over all of eastern Syria back despite the US occupation being based there.

Arabs are the opposite of being anyone's slaves which is why the entire Western militaries regularly militarily subdue the region and placed Israel in the heart of the region. To try controlling Arabs not you. If these Western militaries leave Iran and Israel will have next to no power in the region.

 

[mangekyo]

To achieve regime change in Syria, it took 14 years of war, starting in 2011 and ending in 2024/2025, and they don't control all of Syria. Today's Iran is infinitely stronger militarily than Syria was in 2011 or Iraq in 2003.

How long would regime change in Syria take, if Iran hadn’t supported Assad? Assad stood because he had Soleimani.

 

[Bharatah]

How long would regime change in Syria take, if Iran hadn’t supported Assad? Assad stood because he had Soleimani.

Soleimani died in begining of 2019, Assad fell in end of 2024. Overthrowing a government is difficult, even in a small, poor country like Syria. To be more successful, the CIA orchestrates color revolutions(It's a quick method of overthrowing a government, but it tends to be difficult to implement if the country is already closed off.), for theses reasons they aren't working in Iran.

Iran is becoming an increasingly effective police state and is likely to become a new North Korea within a few decades.

 

[Persian Gulf]

No we aren't anyones slaves. You are slaves and even gave away northern Iraq to the West, Israel and Kurds because you're afraid of him. Arabs took over all of eastern Syria back despite the US occupation being based there.

Arabs are the opposite of being anyone's slaves which is why the entire Western militaries regularly militarily subdue the region and placed Israel in the heart of the region. To try controlling Arabs not you. If these Western militaries leave Iran and Israel will have next to no power in the region.

sure

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Actually you (Iranian Mullah regime and their supporter) are the one that cause that since you guys promote and support the Hamas (arm struggle) and divide Palestinian that previously under PLO (with their more pracmatic and realistic way of struggle).

Your regime doesnt care with civilians, whether in Gaza or in your country

It is very sockening that you guys still dont understand this

Do you even read what you say?

Your default position is capitulation! Eventhough you are not the one under the chopper... you want "THEM" to surrender.

They have been losing precisely because they assumed the other side as rational and reasonable. Maybe a work around can be arranged where the occupation canbe accommodated. It is abundantly clear for everyone except YOU, that zionists are not a rational actor or regime.

The only thing that can accommodate a detente is either mutual disarmament or equal armament! So an equilibrium can be reached... the only other option as playing out is a complete genocide and removal of the Palestinians from their ancestral lands, eraser of their culture and existence and replacement by another European colonial project that keeps expanding under their guise of religion, trade routes and resources.

Iran does because it is all and everything simultaneously... a civilizational state... with its identity, faith, resources and a critical geography and therefore geopolitics.

They don't need terms of surrender from you on behalf of the collective... because you do not speak for them and one who purportedly does... is a pathological conceited liar and swindler.
Besides he wouldn't need your input.
Thank you for your attention to this matter...

 

[Persian Gulf]

As you know, I appreciated the quick re-establishment of law and order within the country when it was achieved.

I am only asking you the question if you felt that the methods used - whatever they were, without any judgement on my part - were justified, given the importance of law and order.

my answer is yes, without law and order, countries will cease to exist

 

[Immortals]

How long would regime change in Syria take, if Iran hadn’t supported Assad? Assad stood because he had Soleimani.

This was Damascus in 2013, prior to Iran turning the tide:



Assad wouldn’t have made it 6 more months without Iranian, Hezbollah, and Shiite miltia assistance.

 

[VCheng]

my answer is yes, without law and order, countries will cease to exist

Fair enough.

I also hope that the government is paying serious attention to improving the economy, since it was one of the prime motivators for many to be dissatisfied with their lives and hence susceptible to wishing for a change.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Fair enough.

I also hope that the government is paying serious attention to improving the economy, since it was one of the prime motivators for many to be dissatisfied with their lives and hence susceptible to wishing for a change.

indeed, the government is failing economically

equally, we recently saw Scott Bessent brag about how US sanctions are the cause of Iran's currency crisis, so it is clear that exogenous factors play a serious role and the issues cannot be properly resolved without dealing with these factors

 

[VCheng]

indeed, the government is failing economically

equally, we recently saw Scott Bessent brag about how US sanctions are the cause of Iran's currency crisis, so it is clear that exogenous factors play a serious role and the issues cannot be properly resolved without dealing with these factors

Blaming outside forces can work only so much for the people. The primary responsibility remains internal, and that applies to every country on Earth, so please do not get offended.

After all, a better foreign policy could possibly deliver some tangible improvements, do you not agree?

 

[Immortals]

Therefore, what the US and Israel will do is hybrid warfare and media manipulation, because Iran has reached a level of defense that is difficult to overcome. Look at the speed with which Iran contained the color revolution, cutting off Starlink and other satellite communications (which is unprecedented).

Maintaining control over an infrastructure that is crumbling and divided easily influenced populous for how long?

As Americans race to Super-intelligence AI and the Arabs provide funding and land and energy to reach the next level of human evolution, Iran is still fighting economic warfare and in constant war economy.

Americans can keep the sanctions on Iran forever and even if Iran doesn’t fall, make life very difficult for the people. This will lead to a reoccurring cycle of protests. This will scare away foreign capital that Iran desperately needs to revitalize its economy (Russian/Chinese investors).

The question isn’t whether Iran falls or doesn’t fall, the question is what is the end game here? How does Iran get back on the path to prosperity or growth that hasn’t happened in last 10 years post JCPOA.

Or if it’s just about resistance: Then Cuba and North Korea have been resisting the West far longer than Iran has. But I doubt anyone on this board would like to live in either nation right now. Nor are either of those two nations ever going to be prosperous. They sit isolated and in the constant state of war economy.

Again, no one on here has the answer to how Iran recovers. The Israelis aren’t going to go away or collapse. The Americans are too dominated by Zionists in all facets of their power structure, economy, and society that they will never remove the shackles on Iran, magically for no reason. There is no incentive for them to.

Iran’s leverage for forcing the U.S. to negotiate was its foreign legions (HZ, Hamas, Houthi’s, Iraqi Pmu, etc) which are now severely weakened and diluted. It was also its nuclear program namely Fordow that could theoretically continuing enriching even during a war (that turned out to be a lie). Its last leverage was an enriched uranium stockpile which is buried somewhere underneath Fordow or in Isfahan.

Even if it wasn’t buried it would require uranium metal conversion facility to create the uranium metal core for a chain reaction fission cycle, that facility was destroyed.

Again the question is what cards does Iran have to play to get free from sanctions and back integrated with the world?

 

[Falcon29]

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That's like saying Japan and Germany are slaves of USA. In Iraq and Syria those US bases were not there at request of the people.

The US wants to enforce international trade and secure trade routes they have the power and capability to do it. If those nations object then the US will put them in nearby nations or balkanize nations to create new ones to install bases in.

Thats what these Gulf bases are for. And they were more for Saddam's Iraq at the time.

Arabs don't feel a need to throw US out of region at the moment but you can be assured if there's anyone to actually ever attempt that it will be Arabs and certainly not Iranians. And if there's anyone that takes down Israel it's guaranteed going to be the Arabs that do it and nobody else .

Tens of millions of Arabs were killed by Western colonizers and Jews unlike Iranians.

Now Syrians forced the US to withdraw from Syria because Ahmed Sharaa and Syrian rebels have the guts to do that. So that's one less US base in the region.

Saudi Arabia threw out a UAE base from Yemen.

They will be removing malicious influence from region over next 10 years and at that point Israel will be in a worse standing. It's not getting better for Israel.

The US plan for Gaza as if US is trying to make Gaza a US presence is fully coordinated with Israel to scare off Arabs from Israel in the future. To say you're attacking America not Israel if you do anything.

Arabs know this and so do Palestinians and that US plan for Gaza won't advance.

These are far from 'slaves' .

 

[VCheng]

Again the question is what cards does Iran have to play to get free from sanctions and back integrated with the world?

The answer must come from the Iranian government according to whatever direction they wish the country to follow in pursuit of its goals.

 

[Bharatah]

indeed, the government is failing economically

equally, we recently saw Scott Bessent brag about how US sanctions are the cause of Iran's currency crisis, so it is clear that exogenous factors play a serious role and the issues cannot be properly resolved without dealing with these factors

All world is failing economically, so the difference between Iran and the others isn't that big. The problem would be if you compared an economically bad country with the USA 35/40 years ago (where with $5,000 a month you were rich person), then okay. But today, the average American is broke, renting a house is $2,500/$3,000 a month, if you break a leg it's $30,000, mortgaged house, leased or financed car, average out-of-state public college costs $45,000 a year with housing (5 years of course you will spend US$225,000) private will cost around $300,000...the average American is full of debt, eats rotten food, uses drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, is completely screwed.

If the US is completely bankrupt, imagine Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas.

NOTE: In 2003 (in Brazil), I earned 10 Brazilian minimum wages with 2 years of experience in software development. Today (2025), a programmer with the experience I had back then (2 years) earns 1 minimum wages or 1.5 minimum wages!