Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

The bottom line is that the Pakistani response was not painful enough to deter india. In 2019 the PAF responded within 24 hours by attacking indian military posts, albeit symbolically. In May 2025, the iaf was grounded for two days, the PAF and army had the upper hand, they should have conducted a joint combined operation to hit them hard. They should have destroyed more aircraft on the first night too. All this limp wristed talk of "restraint" is just digging our own graves.

You have to respect the fact India is one of the largest military in the world. If they were humiliated beyond red line then they would have also hit us harder thus this skeimish would have turned into full scale war. Had PAF not shot down those 6 7 or 8 jets then it was a clear cut victory for India. Now that India is isolated, Pakistan's next response would result in end of BJP regime and takeover of Congress which the West wants atm.
 
For a Fact I can say our response to indian strikes was piss poor.
Abosulte garbage response after the initial air battle.
The more you dive deeper into what happened after the initial faceoff the more you get depressed. Kindly take at least some of the copium and hopium aside guys.
With no offense, your 'fact' tumbles down when we see Indians frantically calling Washington DC and begging for an immediate ceasefire on May 10th. Either Modi and his military commanders are a gang of utterly cowards or your claims are opposite to the reality.

Pakistan seems to be just on the receiving side till early morning of May 10th while Modi was apparently fast escalating the hostilities with a climax of attack on Pak airbases (BTW Kirana hills strike was, in fact, a failed attack on the airbase just across those hills). I am no military expert but Pakistan might be holding back (from launching a devastating retaliatory blow to India similar to the one delivered on 10th) due to a plethora of tactical reasons. However, Pakistan was, in fact, sending lots of drones into India besides intense ground strikes during that apparent lull from our side.

No one can really claim with certainty why Pakistan was going slow for full three days unless has an access to full information and obviously no one here has that access. I think, we all are doing guesstimate according to our understanding and imagination and let's so be it.
 
With no offense, your 'fact' tumbles down when we see Indians frantically calling Washington DC and begging for an immediate ceasefire on May 10th. Either Modi and his military commanders are a gang of utterly cowards or your claims are opposite to the reality.

Pakistan seems to be just on the receiving side till early morning of May 10th while Modi was apparently fast escalating the hostilities with a climax of attack on Pak airbases (BTW Kirana hills strike was, in fact, a failed attack on the airbase just across those hills). I am no military expert but Pakistan might be holding back (from launching a devastating retaliatory blow to India similar to the one delivered on 10th) due to a plethora of tactical reasons. However, Pakistan was, in fact, sending lots of drones into India besides intense ground strikes during that apparent lull from our side.

No one can really claim with certainty why Pakistan was going slow for full three days unless has an access to full information and obviously no one here has that access. I think, we all are doing guesstimate according to our understanding and imagination and let's so be it.


from Pak. POV, YIHA III drones were used, which are not very sophisticated

even those drones made it to the Indian airbases, unlike Indian drones which were state-of-the-art drones and are used world wide

further, strikes of Fatah rockets in IOJK, also revealed, effectiveness of S400!

These rockets do not attain high speeds, so, it was surprising that S400 did not shoot'em down
 
The goal isnt purely to "pound" Pakistan but to weaken it enough ala Syria that the military's status breaks which because of its "parasite" nature within the state rather than just one pillar causes the state to collapse.

The nuclear weapons have been bargained for already back in 2011 that the window to use them is so narrow and unless the will/support to use them immense - their locations will ensure that majority are neutralized by "frenemies" and the remaining are bargained away for later with whatever remains of PA.

However, before we get to such doom and gloom scenarios - the strategy of Pakistan to basically tie its failure as too costly for its allies and "friends" can be plainly viewed.
Infact, lets say Pakistan now deploys troops to Gaza, India will be compelled again to hold off as soon as it is determined it can claim some upper hand to satisfy its core goals. The destruction of Pakistan is a "utopia" for all of India and Bhaktoras - a strong account of "victory" regardless of actual impact to the status quo is more important.


100% true, why fight when you can weaken enemy with economic flight of capital and small skirmishes

which is why, I found Mr. Swaheny arguments in-valid, the way I see it, IA has effectively deployed its strategy to not fight in the open bec.:

1. requires less budgetary input
2. puts financial cost on the enemy
3. less loss of human life
4. ensures enemy's ideological dis-integration

Mr. Swaheny tells us, IA is losing bec. it is fighting a guerilla war inside Indian territory. I find it quite baffling.

IA is doing its best to wage a covert war on Pak, so, it wont have to fight the enemy in the first place!
 
To me it seems that Pakistan restrained from attacking in force to maintain proportional damage after Indian airforce suffered devastating losses and was simply grounded for two days .

Had Pakistan over played their hand and pushed on with a bigger response Indians could have opened land and sea fronts stretching our resources and straining us to breaking point.

Whatever Pakistan did was strategic and tactical brilliance? They never failed in anything. While each and every Indian move was a failure.

So Fatah were fired with target details erased so that they don’t strike anything meaningful. Loitering munitions and drones were intentionally made to go astray lest it lead to escalation?

Same PAF that was playing audio of India pilots to make claims about fighters shot down, suddenly went quiet over destruction of ground targets out of kindness and prudence? To give off-ramp?

Sounds a stretch by any stretch of imagination. So take it easy folks.
 
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Whatever Pakistan did was strategic and tactical brilliance? They never failed in anything.

So Fatah were fired with target details erased so that they don’t strike anything meaningful. Loitering munitions and drones were intentionally made to go astray lest it lead to escalation?

Same PAF that was playing audio of India pilots to make claims about fighters shot down, suddenly went quiet over destruction of ground targets out of kindness and prudence? To give off-ramp?

Sounds a stretch by any stretch of imagination. So take it easy folks.



seems bias you hold against Pak., wont let you think straight!

I could hardly separate out, fact from emotion!

I can understand why!
 

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there is a strong likelihood that the nuclear strikes will be a one way street.
What exactly makes you think this?
A grim portent:
Strategic think tanks in India have considered the possibility of a single massive decapitating nuclear strike on Pakistan with hundreds of warheads . From the Indian perspective based on the May 2025 conflict experience the operation appears feasible with no major consequences for India. It will be a "one way " street.
The success of this potential strike is ensured by the weaknesses exposed during the May 2025 conflict :

  • Pakistan has limited and ineffective anti-missile defenses Most Brahmos missiles were not intercepted and a swarm of nuclear tipped missiles will wreak complete devastation.
  • Pakistan has limited and ineffective missile attack warning systems. Pakistan has no effective missile launch detection, tracking and warning system in place. Neither the impending attacks on the mosques and schools on May 6th-7th nor the attacks on the air bases on May 9th-10th were detected until the impacts. So the retaliatory "launch on detect " option appears unrealistic.
  • Pakistan has no nuclear attack proof hardened command and control center with the top military and civilian leadership still residing and operating out of home offices in colonial legacy style sprawling bungalows. Even the GHQ buildings are normal commercial buildings that can be taken out by conventional missiles alone.
  • Pakistan has no camouflage, masking, or cover capability that conceals the whereabouts of the critical decision making centers, 100% of Pakistani territory is under enemy satellite high resolution optical surveillance. This was evident during the release of high resolution pictures of missile impacts on Pakistani air bases,
  • Electronic surveillance, There is a strong possibility that communications in Pakistan are compromised and the whereabouts of the top military and civilian leadership are known and tracked by the enemy. Media appearances on live television easily give away the locations of top military and civilian personnel
  • Civil defense: There is no evidence of any civil defense procedures such as safe shelters, bunkers that the top military or civilian leadership can retreat to . There has never been any fire drill or missile warning exercise of the National Assembly or Senate while in session and one strike could decapitate the leadership. Worse there is no back up chain of command even if there are survivors after the nuclear attack.
  • Pakistan has no backup airborne command and control systems such as the "doomsday jets " that are used by the USA and Russia. In any case the warning time even if available, is too short for any sort of airborne C3 platform to take off.



"And me personally, would rather be vaporized by a nuclear fireball, than live under foreign occupation. Ask the West Bank what happens when you surrender to your occupier"

Agree here. Hopefully our younger generation are aware of this, However based on Hindutva doctrine, the enemy wants Pakistan's territory without the population so in retrospect a foreign occupation is unlikely,
 
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You have to respect the fact India is one of the largest military in the world. If they were humiliated beyond red line then they would have also hit us harder thus this skeimish would have turned into full scale war. Had PAF not shot down those 6 7 or 8 jets then it was a clear cut victory for India. Now that India is isolated, Pakistan's next response would result in end of BJP regime and takeover of Congress which the West wants atm.
Ah, the "humiliating india" argument again, I didn't realise Pakistanis cared so much about the honour or feelings of poor little indians.

Are you saying Pakistan is not prepared for a full scale war with india? That's probably correct. For too long the Pak establishment has assumed there won't be a full scale war due to nukes, but that's clearly flawed thinking, because the indians clearly are prepared and willing to go to full scale war. The MAD doctrine worked between the US/NATO and the USSR because both sides had the means and will to go to full scale war. Pakistan needs to inflict a heavy conventional cost on india to deter a nuclear exchange, but right now it seems the indians have both the will and means to inflict a heavier conventional cost to Pakistan.
 
A grim portent:
Strategic think tanks in India have considered the possibility of a single massive decapitating nuclear strike on Pakistan with hundreds of warheads . From the Indian perspective based on the May 2025 conflict experience the operation appears feasible with no major consequences for India. It will be a "one way " street.
The success of this potential strike is ensured by the weaknesses exposed during the May 2025 conflict :

  • Pakistan has limited and ineffective anti-missile defenses Most Brahmos missiles were not intercepted and a swarm of nuclear tipped missiles will wreak complete devastation.
  • Pakistan has limited and ineffective missile attack warning systems. Pakistan has no effective missile launch detection, tracking and warning system in place. Neither the impending attacks on the mosques and schools on May 6th-7th nor the attacks on the air bases on May 9th-10th were detected until the impacts. So the retaliatory "launch on detect " option appears unrealistic.
  • Pakistan has no nuclear attack proof hardened command and control center with the top military and civilian leadership still residing and operating out of home offices in colonial legacy style sprawling bungalows. Even the GHQ buildings are normal commercial buildings that can be taken out by conventional missiles alone.
  • Pakistan has no camouflage, masking, or cover capability that conceals the whereabouts of the critical decision making centers, 100% of Pakistani territory is under enemy satellite high resolution optical surveillance. This was evident during the release of high resolution pictures of missile impacts on Pakistani air bases,
  • Electronic surveillance, There is a strong possibility that communications in Pakistan are compromised and the whereabouts of the top military and civilian leadership are known and tracked by the enemy. Media appearances on live television easily give away the locations of top military and civilian personnel
  • Civil defense: There is no evidence of any civil defense procedures such as safe shelters, bunkers that the top military or civilian leadership can retreat to . There has never been any fire drill or missile warning exercise of the National Assembly or Senate while in session and one strike could decapitate the leadership. Worse there is no back up chain of command even if there are survivors after the nuclear attack.
  • Pakistan has no backup airborne command and control systems such as the "doomsday jets " that are used by the USA and Russia. In any case the warning time even if available, is too short for any sort of airborne C3 platform to take off.



"And me personally, would rather be vaporized by a nuclear fireball, than live under foreign occupation. Ask the West Bank what happens when you surrender to your occupier"

Agree here. Hopefully our younger generation are aware of this, However based on Hindutva doctrine, the enemy wants Pakistan's territory without the population so in retrospect a foreign occupation is unlikely,
i dont think these type of things are made public

1. Bunkers would probably not be made public because you never want enemy to know


In such a scenario you underestimate Pakistan's Missiles... We have already closed the Gap of SCALP type systems with Taimoor missile and theoretically which has ALOT bigger range then SCALP

2. Shaheen 3 IS a very potent delivery platform for nuclear missiles, with an estimated High Speed of Mach 18, In No way can one air defence system stop that Iran managed to strike with almost impunity in Israel with their hypersonic missiles despite Israel having sophisticated David Sling/Aero Systems



3. The Enemy might have sat imagery on us... But the Deputy Army Chief of india and even the Army Chief himself have admitted Pakistan knew where every single indian asset was where it was going where it would end up down to the dot


4. ISI is extremely capable and we have no reason to believe they would not have info on indians aswell... Do you think we are sleeping around?


5. Doomsday jets wont help because at that moment both countries end, no one wins , no one...


6. India was legit crying for a ceasefire by May 10th.. It is reported on may 10th that ajit doval ran to trump... even colonel sofia after our response legit looked like she was about to cry


7. Since My Dad is a PAF Officer... He indeed told me that the number "11" Airbases is extremely exaggerated. The Actual i believe numbers he told me were somewhere around 6-7 Airbases being hit. Only Bholari was the harsh one... And The Indians were launching 100s of brahmos already and alot of them were soft or hard killed



What we need from here:
1. We need HQ-19 Anti Ballistic Defence Systems and Order alot more hq 9 we need and should have around 6 Squadrons of HQ-9B Even 2 Squadrons managed to fend of brahmos

2. Invest with turkey on EW Equipment lots of EW Will ensure we can soft kill systems like we did last conflict

3. Mass Produce Missiles like Taimoor and invest in ground launched Hypersonic Glide Vehicle Missiles(If we believe the "lenticular clouds" we might have some already)

4. They i believe had Full Prepared Bunkers in AHQ To be ready in case of any attack on there...

A War like that would be brutal for both countries
 
Ah, the "humiliating india" argument again, I didn't realise Pakistanis cared so much about the honour or feelings of poor little indians.

Are you saying Pakistan is not prepared for a full scale war with india? That's probably correct. For too long the Pak establishment has assumed there won't be a full scale war due to nukes, but that's clearly flawed thinking, because the indians clearly are prepared and willing to go to full scale war. The MAD doctrine worked between the US/NATO and the USSR because both sides had the means and will to go to full scale war. Pakistan needs to inflict a heavy conventional cost on india to deter a nuclear exchange, but right now it seems the indians have both the will and means to inflict a heavier conventional cost to Pakistan.
they have much less appetite


Next conflict we must be ready to mass produce taimoor and launch them like crazy at indian airbases and radars and also deep strik
 
SU-30 which J-10C bagged was from 15th Squadron based at Sirsa AFS: Source AFM Feb 2026 article on SU-30 MKI and IAF 15th Squadron participation in Garuda 2025 exercises with french In Nov-Dec 2025.
 
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SU-30 which J-10C bagged was from 15th Squadron: Source AFM Feb 2026 article on SU-30 MKI and IAF 15th Squadron participation in Garuda 2025 exercises with french In Nov-Dec 2025.
Can you share article section if you can? And I'm not too sure J-10 bagged the Su30, iykwim
 

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