Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mulj]

we have neutral relations with Saudi and good relations with Türkiye

there is a limit on how good these relations can get since they are firmly in the US sphere of influence and it's not worth risking that by getting too close to Iran

From real political perspective everybody is under US sphere of influence and you can not disregard closer relations with your closest neighbors because of it, your approach of open confrontation is not for everybody, on the other hand you have more common denominators and share of mutual interests to broaden cooperation.
Principled but economically weak and regionally isolated Iran can not help itself not to speak about grander goals, in that sense this newly axis SA, Turkiye and Pakistan should be great opportunity to take some time out for recuperation and be side silent partner of them how to contain jewish hegemony and control in region.
I mean it is either that or prolonged agony and living under constant threat, Call me crazy but first step in that direction would be sending signals for normalisation of relationship with new syrian governement.

 

[hussain0216]

The Iranian military was never setup to directly fight Israel, just have some level of deterrence, which Israel crossed anyway.

However, the Iranian military "is" setup to fight the USA in the Persian Gulf, and its military bases in the middle east. I d think they will be more effective against the USA than Israel for that reason, as more of its military capabilities are trained for this type of war.

This is why If Israel is not involved in the attack, then Iran should leave them alone and focus on the war they have prepared for and impose a real cost that will serve as a future deterrent.

Does, the slow rate of US military capabilities moving to the Middle East, mostly larger planes and not many actual fighter jets indicate we have entered into a shadow box phase where the USA does not want to attack, but wants to huff and puff to try and get political concessions ?

To be the fair, the Iranian military is far far away from Israel and the two militaries will al

The CIA's color revolution worked in Bangladesh because Bangladesh has no internal security, so part of the population bought into the media's false narrative. In the case of Iran, no one has ever seen more than 15,000/20,000 people protesting (nationwide), which gives 0.2% popular support !, a huge flop for the CIA and Mossad.

That's false,

Hasina was a Indian stooge, so whilst India became increasingly hindutva and extremist they pushed liberal cuckoldry in Bangladesh

The people in Bangladesh had enough and rose up

The Bangladesh government and state now is back to looking after it's people and actual interests

 

[mulj]

Didn't Scott Bessent give the game away?
Fairly candid.... seeds of turmoil were shown last March...

The war is afoot, in every sphere and every realm before the first shot is fired. Except Iranians are AWOL in many of those fields...

My opinion is based on assumption that Iran survives current upcoming onslaught, this stalemate for them is not workable they need more space and goodwill in region for their own sake. Frankly jews made it easier more then ever opening lot of common ground for almost all regional countries.

 

[VCheng]

there is a limit on how good these relations can get since they are firmly in the US sphere of influence and it's not worth risking that by getting too close to Iran

Isn't it ironic that Iran's stance helps keep the south side of the historical body of water united with each other against Iran, and in a way helps drive them into the US camp?

 

[Persian Gulf]

From real political perspective everybody is under US sphere of influence and you can not disregard closer relations with your closest neighbors because of it, your approach of open confrontation is not for everybody, on the other hand you have more common denominators and share of mutual interests to broaden cooperation.
Principled but economically weak and regionally isolated Iran can not help itself not to speak about grander goals, in that sense this newly axis SA, Turkiye and Pakistan should be great opportunity to take some time out for recuperation and be side silent partner of them how to contain jewish hegemony and control in region.
I mean it is either that or prolonged agony and living under constant threat, Call me crazy but first step in that direction would be sending signals for normalisation of relationship with new syrian governement.

to be clear, I don't think the impediment to this plan of yours is Iran. it is intrinsic limits on the sovereignty of those other nations.

but other than that, I agree with a lot of what you say

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

My opinion is based on assumption that Iran survives current upcoming onslaught, this stalemate for them is not workable they need more space and goodwill in region for their own sake. Frankly jews made it easier more then ever opening lot of common ground for almost all regional countries.

Short of a large scale land invasion that is very painful for the invading army there isn't much except coercion that can prompt a collapse.
For a layman it should be abundantly clear that if they're leaving their home for a vague abstract cause... sat in assumptions and slogans...they're pawns! If they're not getting paid for their service than... free pawns!

The regional states must open land routes, movement of goods and services among themselves so they are not hostage to foreign financial meddling. And export is ideally something that is either found in abundance, value add is within reasonable cost of labor and energy, can be easily and swiftly shipped to closest markets.

That will again spur economic and cultural activities regionally and once and for all untie the gordian knot of cultural and economic export from the collective.

 

[PakAl]

PLO sold out and became the Palestinian Authority, the administrator of the Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza. It's why groups like Hamas and PIJ rose in the first place. Your knowledge of history is poor and your worldview is impacted negatively by Wahhabi propaganda that has been poisoning you for decades.

Hamas is not supported by Iran, its all propaganda, only their interests align so they give political and moral support. Definitely wahhabi propaganda at its work, Saudis consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation, behind the scenes are encouraging Israel to finish the Job, meanwhile pouring crocodile tears in front of the media.

 

[PakAl]

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Some people cannot stop giving false information. The Saudis consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation, they are encouraging Israel to destroy Hamas but shedding crocodile tears on media. The helpers of the zionist point fingers at others, hilarious.

 

[VCheng]

Hamas is not supported by Iran, its all propaganda, only their interests align so they give political and moral support.

Even if we accept that at face value as you have stated, it does not help Iran in any geopolitical way to be seen as the provider of political and moral support to many such entitles that are seen as terrorists by Iran's neighbors.

Bud sey budnaam bura.

 

[PakAl]

one day all muslim would know that all these ISIS and al qaida was mossad and CIA planned organizations to show and use them as an excuse for attacking muslim countries and at the same time create a bad image for islam and muslims

Unfortunately Muslims are and I will use a good word rather than a bad word "gullible", they get tricked and deceived in to believing all the fake jihadi fatwas and revolutions. The propaganda and deception is great, almost dajjali type of deception. Muslims must establish basic principles in life in order to save themselves such as do not ever support war against Muslims and reject those who cause chaos and violence. Just one point, one propaganda against Assad was his followers call him god, today the same propaganda is being used against the Kurds that they call themselves as gods, the zionist agents with beards repeat their tactics and propaganda, it also works.

 

[Indos]

you (Indonesian rape regime and their supporter) are the one that carried out a genocidal occupation of East Timor for 25 years, which involved systematic torture and rape

and you are here lecturing Iranians?

beyond parody.

East Timor genocide - Wikipedia

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Timor-Leste: Victims of killings, rape and torture deserve justice

Perpetrators of killings and other human rights abuses during the Indonesian occupation of Timor-Leste must not be allowed to go unpunished, Amnesty International said as the UN Security Council was due to meet in New York to finalize withdrawal of the UN peacekeeping mission. Indonesian...

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But we do reform right. We allow East Timor to vote whether to be indepent or not in 1999 after we can press Soeharto to resign. Actually it is only university students that do the protest, but Soeharto and his backer (including Indonesian military) understand that the course should be changed and it is the time to embrace real democracy.

Now it is Iranian time, whether they wants to reform or stay its own course

Not me to decide, I only can give advice as I also hope Iran can be better economically and politically

 

[PakAl]

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They already do, dont let them deceive you and never trust them. For them the greatest threat is Iran and not their sister Israel. I am talking about GCC, not others. Bashar al Assad was a secular arab nationalist but they still didnt spare him from kufaar fatwas, they did the same with Gaddafi and Saddam. Anyone who opposes them or is not their puppet faces their full wrath.

 

[PakAl]

Even if we accept that at face value as you have stated, it does not help Iran in any geopolitical way to be seen as the provider of political and moral support to many such entitles that are seen as terrorists by Iran's neighbors.

Bud sey budnaam bura.

Hamas was at first supported by all arabs and GCC, but with MB coming to power the relations broke down with Saudis since Saudis only want puppets. After this Hamas and MB were declared as terrorists. Turkey and Iran continue to give support to Hamas. It may not look good on Iran but that's their policy. Who funds and trains ISIS/AlQaida operatives? I am sure they dont fall from the skies.

 

[VCheng]

Hamas was at first supported by all arabs and GCC, but with MB coming to power the relations broke down with Saudis since Saudis only want puppets. After this Hamas and MB were declared as terrorists. Turkey and Iran continue to give support to Hamas. It may not look good on Iran but that's their policy. Who funds and trains ISIS/AlQaida operatives? I am sure they dont fall from the skies.

Well, Hamas is pretty much history, it seems, at this point. Where Iran goes from here onwards is the more important question relevant to this thread.

 

[Indos]

Hamas was at first supported by all arabs and GCC, but with MB coming to power the relations broke down with Saudis since Saudis only want puppets. After this Hamas and MB were declared as terrorists. Turkey and Iran continue to give support to Hamas. It may not look good on Iran but that's their policy. Who funds and trains ISIS/AlQaida operatives? I am sure they dont fall from the skies.

ISIS/ AQ are those who cannot really understand Quran. Mostly people with black and white thingking, lack of intelligent will get lured to this

This people are not few, you can see people like this in PDF but with different ideology

It is already happening since Caliph period right. Khawarij

Something that unavoidable, we can only limit their action

Just avoid this group to get to leadership position ( I dont talk only with those with Wahaby ideology....)