Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Bratva]

Can you share article section if you can? And I'm not too sure J-10 bagged the Su30, iykwim

The kill has been officially credited to J-10C and PL15 and article stated the the same. SU30 was destroyed by PL-15

 

[r3alist]

Are you saying Pakistan is not prepared for a full scale war with india? That's probably correct. For too long the Pak establishment has assumed there won't be a full scale war due to nukes, but that's clearly flawed thinking, because the indians clearly are prepared and willing to go to full scale war

No you are not, otherwise you would have it's as simple as that.

Why don't you want to talk about your excessive size and economy advantages translating into the military?

Remember that before the ceasefire Pakistan was preparing it's missile response, India also accepted the ceasefire.

Indians don't even believe that they will go to full scale war

The post partition generation is gone, you don't have army generals as more bloggers on the Indian economy with an army uniform.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

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[Bratva]

 

[Baibers_1260]

Interesting ! The article doesn't mention what were the combat losses.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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In any other professional air force, this bloke would have resigned by now ... and if not, then the government would have fired him. But, in India, as long as you are a Modi ring kisser, you are fine it seems.

 

[Bratva]

Interesting ! The article doesn't mention what were the combat losses.

They did

 

[Corax]

No you are not, otherwise you would have it's as simple as that.

Why don't you want to talk about your excessive size and economy advantages translating into the military?

Remember that before the ceasefire Pakistan was preparing it's missile response, India also accepted the ceasefire.

Indians don't even believe that they will go to full scale war

The post partition generation is gone, you don't have army generals as more bloggers on the Indian economy with an army uniform.

I ain't indian, do me the favour of not replying to me if you don't know what I'm trying to say.

 

[r3alist]

I ain't indian, do me the favour of not replying to me if you don't know what I'm trying to say.

My apologies if I shot from the hip

 

[Corax]

My apologies if I shot from the hip

No probs bro. I'm being hard and critical of ourselves because that's what we need. The indians used the israeli playbook of targeting civilians under the guise of "terrorists". They crossed a very critical line that people don't seem to realise. They adopted the same doctrine as the US and israelis, perpetual conflict to gradually weaken and eventually destroy us. The Pak military has for too long adopted the doctrine that nukes meant that kinetic action between the two states across the border will not happen, that's clearly wrong.

 

[flyingorca]

With no offense, your 'fact' tumbles down when we see Indians frantically calling Washington DC and begging for an immediate ceasefire on May 10th. Either Modi and his military commanders are a gang of utterly cowards or your claims are opposite to the reality.

Pakistan seems to be just on the receiving side till early morning of May 10th while Modi was apparently fast escalating the hostilities with a climax of attack on Pak airbases (BTW Kirana hills strike was, in fact, a failed attack on the airbase just across those hills). I am no military expert but Pakistan might be holding back (from launching a devastating retaliatory blow to India similar to the one delivered on 10th) due to a plethora of tactical reasons. However, Pakistan was, in fact, sending lots of drones into India besides intense ground strikes during that apparent lull from our side.

No one can really claim with certainty why Pakistan was going slow for full three days unless has an access to full information and obviously no one here has that access. I think, we all are doing guesstimate according to our understanding and imagination and let's so be it.

Alot of things remains

Ah, the "humiliating india" argument again, I didn't realise Pakistanis cared so much about the honour or feelings of poor little indians.

Are you saying Pakistan is not prepared for a full scale war with india? That's probably correct. For too long the Pak establishment has assumed there won't be a full scale war due to nukes, but that's clearly flawed thinking, because the indians clearly are prepared and willing to go to full scale war. The MAD doctrine worked between the US/NATO and the USSR because both sides had the means and will to go to full scale war. Pakistan needs to inflict a heavy conventional cost on india to deter a nuclear exchange, but right now it seems the indians have both the will and means to inflict a heavier conventional cost to Pakistan.

Hopefully you will lead from the frontline

 

[r3alist]

No probs bro. I'm being hard and critical of ourselves because that's what we need. The indians used the israeli playbook of targeting civilians under the guise of "terrorists". They crossed a very critical line that people don't seem to realise. They adopted the same doctrine as the US and israelis, perpetual conflict to gradually weaken and eventually destroy us. The Pak military has for too long adopted the doctrine that nukes meant that kinetic action between the two states across the border will not happen, that's clearly wrong.

You are quite right, and this is important to do

I am skeptical that India want full-fledged war, the last conflict was not a war in the old sense in any case.

I think there are many rungs on the escalation ladder before the nukes are truly in play, and Pakistan demonstrated sufficient edge in conventional warfare

To bring nukes into the discussion so heavily is an Indian narrative, in reality Pakistan is growing stronger and smarter conventionally, relative to before, I am not saying that guarantees anything

You refer to India copying the Israeli PlayBook and that's quite right, you see the problem is because that is Israeli or American playBook India benefits for free, hence why they work so hard to demonize Islam and Muslims anywhere they can

 

[falcon34]

A grim portent:
Strategic think tanks in India have considered the possibility of a single massive decapitating nuclear strike on Pakistan with hundreds of warheads . From the Indian perspective based on the May 2025 conflict experience the operation appears feasible with no major consequences for India. It will be a "one way " street.
The success of this potential strike is ensured by the weaknesses exposed during the May 2025 conflict :

• Pakistan has limited and ineffective anti-missile defenses Most Brahmos missiles were not intercepted and a swarm of nuclear tipped missiles will wreak complete devastation.
• Pakistan has limited and ineffective missile attack warning systems. Pakistan has no effective missile launch detection, tracking and warning system in place. Neither the impending attacks on the mosques and schools on May 6th-7th nor the attacks on the air bases on May 9th-10th were detected until the impacts. So the retaliatory "launch on detect " option appears unrealistic.
• Pakistan has no nuclear attack proof hardened command and control center with the top military and civilian leadership still residing and operating out of home offices in colonial legacy style sprawling bungalows. Even the GHQ buildings are normal commercial buildings that can be taken out by conventional missiles alone.
• Pakistan has no camouflage, masking, or cover capability that conceals the whereabouts of the critical decision making centers, 100% of Pakistani territory is under enemy satellite high resolution optical surveillance. This was evident during the release of high resolution pictures of missile impacts on Pakistani air bases,
• Electronic surveillance, There is a strong possibility that communications in Pakistan are compromised and the whereabouts of the top military and civilian leadership are known and tracked by the enemy. Media appearances on live television easily give away the locations of top military and civilian personnel
• Civil defense: There is no evidence of any civil defense procedures such as safe shelters, bunkers that the top military or civilian leadership can retreat to . There has never been any fire drill or missile warning exercise of the National Assembly or Senate while in session and one strike could decapitate the leadership. Worse there is no back up chain of command even if there are survivors after the nuclear attack.
• Pakistan has no backup airborne command and control systems such as the "doomsday jets " that are used by the USA and Russia. In any case the warning time even if available, is too short for any sort of airborne C3 platform to take off.

"And me personally, would rather be vaporized by a nuclear fireball, than live under foreign occupation. Ask the West Bank what happens when you surrender to your occupier"

Agree here. Hopefully our younger generation are aware of this, However based on Hindutva doctrine, the enemy wants Pakistan's territory without the population so in retrospect a foreign occupation is unlikely,

All are valid points, the fking indians have been allowed to walkaway without paying any heavy price and what's even left now other than nukes, last round nuke capable missiles were fired and the **** we did, we launched the fking yihas.
What if the next round those barhamos are nuclear tipped
@Panzerkiel

 

[r3alist]

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Chanakya himself could not come out with this confused nonsense

Is this actually a military general

 

[Baibers_1260]

What if the next round those barhamos are nuclear tipped

Very likely..
Unfortunately, India is no longer committed to a no first use of nuclear weapons, and reserves the right of a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

Refer to a dated ( 2019) BBC report below and the extract.

Why India wants to break its decades-old nuclear pledge

India's re-evaluation of its "no first use" nuclear pledge has implications for peace in South Asia.

www.bbc.com

Extract:
"While unlikely, it is no longer impossible to imagine a leader in Delhi concluding that with concerted effort, India might be able to pre-empt any first strike by an adversary and meaningfully limit the damage to Indian cities by doing so"