Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Emirzad said:
There have been two events of geneflow in Iranic plateau. Both times it was peaceful civil migration that came and vanished. One was Steppe Mid-Late-Bronze-Age when original Persians (Parsu), Kurds/Tats, Talysh, Lur etc (Medes), Horosanis (Afghans, Tajiks) came and intermingled with native Zagrosians, from Sintashta (origin of Iranic tribes). 2nd such migration happened when us Oghuz Turkics came and formed Irano-Turkomans like Azeris, while those who moved further became Anatolian Turkish. People on this forum do not understand history but they dont know it was one big country back then. Anatolia was bone of contention between Roman/Byzantine empires but it stayed mostly Persian which is why the extreme level genetic similarity exists between Iranians and Turkish. My own group was eastern Anatolian until Shah Esmael Safavi.

The earlier we lose this Islamist Mullah regime and go back to Iranism, the better. Those who were loyal to IRI like Alevis and Shia Turkomans, Lebanese and Iraqi Shias, Syrian Alawites, even Yemenites should be integrated within Iranian society for their sacrifices for resistance but its time to move on. I really hope IRGC takes over during or post war and the entire Anti-Israel and US stance is buried for good. We tried, did not work, its time to save our own nation.
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Truth... I read something surprising, that the majority of the Shahs in the Persian empire had Turkic origin. Naturally we were all intermingled back then.... As I mentioned, many different people, united under one banner. If you think about it, it's pretty unique for the times. I believe one of the reasons for the cohesion came from the equal application of the rule of law.
 
vizier said:
As the usa increases the build up it will be in a catch 22 situation. The less the assets on the ground the potential usa attack is less detecteble but the lower the impact of an attack on Iran and a usa decapitation strike wont work. The more they put their assets closer to Iran like ships and aircraft in those bases the more the maintainance costs and they expose their assets more for a much more costly Iranian counter attack. Also detecting the attack would be easier as there would be a massive air attack since planes on the ground on those bases would be targeted by Iran immediately. It might work as a decapitation strike if trump or eu or others controlled by them makes Iran believe easily and lower down the guard but it is not easy with fake deals anymore.

As long as Iran keeps alert and does not react by fear giving up defenses or reacts by a pre-emptive attack against usa( which would make usa declare war on Iran and call full nato support) the current build up strategy wont work. There can be faints and movements in air around those bases to increase pressure on Iran and to keep Iran guessing but a pre-emptive stirke seems like a bait in my opinion. If Iran changes mobile asset positions like radars, bm tels continiously then an immediate counter attack would be as powerful as a preemptive attack. Deterrence would still be in place.

Giving up bms would result in an attack soon afterwards and the technical base of missiles-nuclear technology which is the threat against israel would be totally eradicated by killing Iranian scientists etc after an invasion/balkanisation of Iran to ensure that Iran wont turn back to a threat again later. So giving up missile tech to gain riches and work with liberal eu stuff wont work as a solution as long as Iran has a potential to become a threat against israel again.

A mutually assured destruction measure against israel should be put in place to have the deterrant ability to climb the escalation ladder in case of a Usa attack so they wont be able to use nukes on Iran if a usa carrier gets hit or something. Radioactive warheads is one possible solution to be equipped in enough numbers in a very short amount of time. Another is nuclear warhead but it takes time to develop and build them especially in enough numbers. It is a more longer term solution. If no mad concept is there against israel they wont care about Ukraine they will opt for using nukes and allow Russia to use nukes on Ukraine as long as the threat against israel is eliminated. Ukraines population is already halved by migration and war. They dont care about ukranians at all and they wont care when they will be nuked by Russia.
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This is a good analysis.... I also believe he put the assets in the Persian gulf because they want to stop tankers. I hope i'm wrong, because this action will eventually lead to a kinetic outbreak.
 
Xerxes22 said:
The answer to all your questions is YES. As for the leverage, I already said how.
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Your post is unsatisfactory. Iranian magazine depth and fire rate is too small to inflict such large losses on the US.
Xerxes22 said:
Iran didn't even put a dent on Isreal? That's why the media blackout happened right?
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I know the Israelis did a media blackout, even taking into account the post-war OSINT BDA, Iranian missiles inflicted minimal damage compared to what the Israelis managed to do in Iran (and the amount of missiles launched by Iran).
Xerxes22 said:
I consider the 12 day war a defeat. Not because Israel didn't take losses but because of the strategic implications in the aftermath of the ceasefire. As for Iran did nothing to Israel, Now that sounds like sumfin a shite eating Indian would say. Are you one?
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There are tactical and strategic levels of war.

On a tactical level, Iran took far more losses (entire top command wiped out, nuclear facilities destroyed, launch capacity diminished) than Israel (research center, some civilian sites, some over-ground mossad buildings that were evacuated beforehand because Israelis were not complacent duffers like Iranian leadership)

On a strategic level, Iran's entire proxy network has been dismantled, nuclear program heavily damaged or destroyed entirely, economy in shambles from sanctions, and bad int'l relations due to poor foreign policy decisions ( the most baffling of all was alienating Pakistan and grovelling at India's feet for reasons beyond my comprehension).

Please be reasonable. It is understandable that Indians act like Bhaktoras because their enemy is a 10x smaller bankrupt basket case that survives on Allah's mercy alone. On the other hand Iran is taking on the single most powerful military in mankind's history, led by an irrational and hot headed commander in chief willing to sacrafice American lives for Israeli interests.
 
StrategicBear said:
Back then the US Navy wargamed a war against Iran in which US forces lost badly. "Red" forces (modeled on Iran) commanded by retired Marine Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper defeated "Blue" forces (U.S.) in days. Using asymmetric, low-tech tactics, Van Riper sunk 16 ships, causing, if real, 20,000+ casualties. At that time, Van Riper did not play the wargame with Iranian Hypersonic ASBMs at his disposal... Imagine now!
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So, the US Navy wargamed, identified deficiencies, and amended them, two years ago...

Let's say Iran somehow still inflicts 20,000 casualties on the US, then what?
 
The aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln arrived in the Middle East this evening and is currently in proximity to Iran, according to an evening report from Channel 13
 
Comandante said:
You are wrong! The attack will happen in a short time. The tankers are always timed. In the other forum I indicated that in the direction of the US Fott's advance, submarines should be planted at sea within missile and drone launch distance to wait for the carriers. Many people do not like this idea, although it would be a real surprise. The other is that the old F4s should be loaded with anti-ship missiles and patrolled so that they can be launched at the same time, and then go underground with them!
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well it didn't happen within 4-8 hours like that user specifically claimed, that was indeed nonsense
 
The U.S. Air Force will run a multi-day readiness exercise in the Middle East.

Source: Al Arabiya
 
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If this is true, makes you wonder how many inside IRGC/Artesh are informants for US/Israel
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Very tough to stand against the empire. Single point of failure If you keep the authority central and don't share the secrets among lower leadership, or risk intelligence failures if you decentralize it and share the secrets among many layers just incase there is a decapitation strike on the leadership. Whats the solution to keep it running?
 
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