Babaasif
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Suthra Punjab initiative gains intl recognition for environmental excellence
Suthra Punjab initiative gains intl recognition for environmental excellence
global.chinadaily.com.cn
UK to replicate CM Maryam’s ‘Suthra Punjab’ model: BBC
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VCheng
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I believe this thread is pointless, but that is just my personal opinion.
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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They (politically motivated posters here) are so intellectually limited that the point went straight over their heads.
In any educated society, the basic cleanliness of cities is such a given that it is not even worth discussing.
Only those unfamiliar with such global standards will speak of 'achieving high stand.' in that regard!
so morally and intellectually low!
frankly shameful!
it is as if, in Pak. you are a fool if you are not a dishonest!
VCheng
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Unfortunately, that limitation applies to all types of politically motivated posters here, if you know what I mean.
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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100%, that is why, all politically motivated threads must not be allowed, IMO (Strictly an opinion only)
Blain2
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Whether International recognition is garnered or not, fundamentally, is Punjab cleaner than the rest of the country? Speaking of Karachi at least, the answer is a massive, unequivocal YES!
Have not been to KPK and Balochistan in the recent past, so cannot speak to it first hand but by the looks of it, nothing to write home about.
I was hoping that out of sharam/hayya, CM Sind would be forced into action but then I realized going against one's nature is not easy. 72 people dead, and as they say "no skin off his back/nose".
Have not been to KPK and Balochistan in the recent past, so cannot speak to it first hand but by the looks of it, nothing to write home about.
I was hoping that out of sharam/hayya, CM Sind would be forced into action but then I realized going against one's nature is not easy. 72 people dead, and as they say "no skin off his back/nose".
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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no, people of karachi should come out of their houses and protest
city has no clean water, no transport, electricity shortages, crime rate is sky high!
why should Murad Ali Shah resign, when, no Karachiite considers his/her responsibility to actions against those who plunder their rights!
I think, all Karachiites should leave Karachi
Blain2
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I wish what you say could be done. But first, let's understand the basic political dynamics of Karachi and why they are not conducive to what you suggest.
We have to realize, politicians only care about doing the right thing when their vote bank is threatened. Karachi is not ruled by people elected by Karachiites. It is ruled by those elected from the interior of Sind. This is the biggest gift that the PPP got in the form of 18A thanks to Zardari.
No matter who the mayor is, no matter who the elected local city officers are, they cannot do anything because the funding/power rests with Bilawal House.
On top of that, Karachittes are not one united citizenry. Like the rest of Pakistan, ethnic, tribal and societal affiliations get in the way of their social cohesion and campaigning. These fault lines are well known to the PPP cadres running the place and they exploit them.
PTI and MQM were no better without direct federal government support.
Karachi is a victim of its own potential. PPP will not let it go because it is the ultimate cash cow. Yet, PPP won't deliver services to the masses because they happen to live in strongholds of MQM, PTI etc. and they don't get the vote from there. So, the only way for them to run the place and suck its resources dry is to keep the city literally limping and barely surviving on life support. Come election time, they know they will have the provincial government which trumps the city government. Thus the circus continues.
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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no sir, I dont agree...
Karachiites, are also one of the most sophisticated class of Pak. (as they claim!)
these three 'truths' cannot co-exist together, you have to understand!
Truths:
1. Karachiites are very educated and civilized
2. Karachiites have no power and PPP has usurped all the rights
3. Power in Karachi belongs to Karachiites (needs to be proven!)
this must be the only place in the world with so many in-coherencies.
No other city in this whole world is so opaque
Distant_Observer
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Why is it pointless?
This is the first time a part of Pakistan has started cleaning itself and focusing on aesthetics. This is a watershed moment. This will surely and hopefully snowball. I hope other provinces match what is going on in Punjab.
I really did think they never had it in them and they would live in an open sewer forever like the Indians.
This needs more attention and updates here.
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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these values are never taught or proven, come in genes
as I understand
if Ind. stop peeing in streets, would that be headlines?
Blain2
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Optional question (you don't have to answer if you choose not to): Do you live in Karachi? If not, have you ever lived there?
So the issue is not about "sophisticated" etc. It is about citizens getting their basic needs met. This does not happen in Karachi. It has not happened since the 1980s.
Karachi was an amazing place in the 50-70s. It has been the most educated, upwardly mobile population center (per-capita wise) in the country (and thus also the former capital) and it can be an economic juggernaut for one simple reason that no other place in Pakistan can replicate. This reason is because Karachi is Pakistan's melting pot. It has attracted entrepreneurs, businessmen, professionals for its entire existence since independence and that is something that needs to be invested in, and if done right, Karachi can deliver a greater return than even a place like Dubai.
It is the most cosmopolitan city of Pakistan with a very strong multi-ethnic representation. However, this multi-ethnic composition also gets in the way of the city's upliftment because the Karchiites can't mobilize on common social platforms en masse.
Now coming to your 3 points:
a) Karachiites are very educated and civilized: Yes to educated, however civilized and educated are two different things. Pakhtuns are also civilized yet we see unprecedented violence in KPK. Same goes for Karachi. When other vested interests get in the way, societies respond in different ways. Let's stick to the educated part.
b) Karachiites have no power and PPP has usurped all the rights: This is not an opinion. It is a fact. PPP runs the provincial government and also KMC. It has done so for over a decade. So if PPP have all the power, all the funding, then is it PTI, MQM, JUI's fault that the city is in such a deplorable state? All of the federal funding for Sind/Karachi goes to the PPP government in the province. Heavy lies the head that wears the crown and the city needs money for the infrastructure uplift so it is PPP's to fix. Unless Federal Govt takes over, the only route for funding/development is PPP. They cannot dodge this responsibility.
c) Power in Karachi belongs to Karachiites (needs to be proven!): Only if Karachi is run by its own citizens who care about the city and not what the provincial government dictates. In the current situation, unless PPP feels 100% vested in the rehabilitation of the city (which it is not based on a decade + of governance), the citizen's opinions carry no weight. This is, as I have stated before, because the officials who hold the strings to power are not elected by them. These are the PPP's "provincial government" officials.
In essence, Karachi votes for what is essentially a "veneer" of local officials who are powerless because thanks to 18th Amendment, all the power rests with the provincial government. MQM, PTI, JUI/JI can have their man elected as the mayor, but it'd be as useless as carrying coals to Newcastle.
By way of comparison, lucky for Lahore that its administration is aligned to the provincial government and supported through and through. Thus you see uplift and development. Karachi is a sorry orphan prostituted for its economic potential and that is its only efficacy for the provincial government.
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VCheng
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Nope. Such "campaigns" have been done periodically over decades and decades, and they all peter out after a while. The garbage remains once the media hype is over, since the people remain the same with their communal lack of hygienic habits.
Distant_Observer
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No not like this.
The last time was when they outsourced it to a Turkish company in Lahore which was clearly a scam. This is different. They are actually focusing on their entire waste management ecosystem.
