Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Watandar]

A lot of this discussion about an attack on a US aircraft carrier are based on speculation, hope, or pure fantasy. You're hoping the carrier will be within range of IRI defenses while ignoring when it comes to aerial refueling capability, the US is the best in the business. The carrier can simply remain out of range yet the strike package(s) can be refueled all the way in to the target and back

You also seem to be ignoring the level of support that will accompany any US strike on Iran. Satellite reconnaissance has likely tripled in addition to all other intel methods. Any moves to send surface craft out to intercept the CSG will be quickly repulsed.

If Iranian defenses have improved that much since the strikes on Estafan and other nuclear site, then hats off. I'm just a little skeptical, that's all.

Now, regarding Israel. Sure, Iran has already proven it can overwhelm Israeli defenses. In spite of what another member here has stated, 85-90% success rate at stopping in-bound missiles is not good enough. It's that 10% that inflicted considerable damage on Israel. Now consider if the target selection was different; military areas instead of infrastructure.

Noone doubts the US has the absolute upper hand in any conflict. Nevertheless we can still discuss what could potentially happen, like what will disable or destroy an aircraft carrier or better yet deter the Trump from launching yet another war. America is a sick Israeli-controlled war addict.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

The U.S is shutting down the economies of multiple states as well shutting down oil and gas supply out of the region, as well as major effect on air travel

India for example is completely blocked going west, as well as most of the gulf states air travel



All for what? Israel?

Fair points. Collateral effect of any conflict. Everyone gets to suffer.

As for India, aren't they still having to fly longer routes or has Pakistan allowed overflight permission again?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Noone doubts the US has the absolute upper hand in any conflict. Nevertheless we can still discuss what could potentially happen, like what will disable or destroy an aircraft carrier or better yet deter the Trump from launching yet another war. America is a sick Israeli-controlled war addict.

That's reasonable. I'm hoping the reports of Iran reaching out are correct.

 

[hussain0216]

Fair points. Collateral effect of any conflict. Everyone gets to suffer.

As for India, aren't they still having to fly longer routes or has Pakistan allowed overflight permission again?

I think Pakistan has still banned them from overflight

So their only route west is over iran or the GCC

So if the U.S does it's usual bombing adventures, I assume India is either blocked or has some sort of long route going around and up Africa


That is assuming Pakistan has still banned India from overflight

 

[Mehdipersian]

It's not just attack and defence

Let's for example say, the U.S carriers camp themselves 500km-700km off the coast of Iran

Probably far enough away to be out of range of most Iranian anti ship missiles

And the U.S and Iran fire missiles at each other or U.S starts military action


The U.S is shutting down the economies of multiple states as well shutting down oil and gas supply out of the region, as well as major effect on air travel

India for example is completely blocked going west, as well as most of the gulf states air travel



All for what? Israel?

Iran has anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles with a range of 1,000 kilometers.

Of course, higher ranges may also exist, as there are ground-to-ground versions of up to 2,500 kilometers.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Noone doubts the US has the absolute upper hand in any conflict. Nevertheless we can still discuss what could potentially happen, like what will disable or destroy an aircraft carrier or better yet deter the Trump from launching yet another war. America is a sick Israeli-controlled war addict.

The world economy is in the hands of Iran.

The Strait of Hormuz and the oil and gas wells of the Middle East would be easily destroyed by an Iranian attack.

I don't know how stupid America will be, but now Iran is angry.

Israeli cities should also expect thousands of missiles.

 

[جوبا]

Iran has anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles with a range of 1,000 kilometers.

Of course, higher ranges may also exist, as there are ground-to-ground versions of up to 2,500 kilometers.

Yea and they have layers of C-RAM and SM3 on the destroyers before it even reaches the carrier. Its not impossible but chances are very low unless you can overwhelm the entire CSG AD plus the countless SEAD planes and the SuperHornets

 

[Mehdipersian]

Yea and they have layers of C-RAM and SM3 on the destroyers before it even reaches the carrier. Its not impossible but chances are very low unless you can overwhelm the entire CSG AD plus the countless SEAD planes and the SuperHornets

Didn't you see Iran's simultaneous attacks on Israel with 200 ballistic missiles and hundreds of drones and cruise missiles?

The same thing will happen at sea.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Yea and they have layers of C-RAM and SM3 on the destroyers before it even reaches the carrier. Its not impossible but chances are very low unless you can overwhelm the entire CSG AD plus the countless SEAD planes and the SuperHornets

SM3 stocks deplete sharply

though extremely effective AD missile

 

[جوبا]

SM3 stocks deplete sharply

though extremely effective AD missile

I think you might be right about the stocks because they did pull in assets all the way from INDOPACOM, right now they might have 5 DDGs in the gulf and arabian sea as per the graphic so that puts the SM3 count approximately around 200.

 

[VCheng]

The Strait of Hormuz and the oil and gas wells of the Middle East would be easily destroyed by an Iranian attack.

I think many here would love to actually see that, rather than mere bombastic claims.

 

[PakAl]

No China won't do anything like that at all. That will back fire.

Pakistan purchased PL-15E long ago. It was with Pakistan since 2021-22 with arrival of J-10Cs. It wasn't given just before the tensions build up. It was well integrated and when time came PAF dominated.

Secondly China don't want to mess around with the US right now. In US vs Iran, China will not take a side. Just look at business that China do with the US versus what it do with Iran.

The bigger question is why must or should China help Iran, Iran is ally of Russia and has close relations with India. Iran only has good economic relations with China due to oil export. I would suggest joint Russian/Iranian base in Iran in order to stop any attack or invasion. The next step must be solve the nuclear issue and get Usa off their back, Iran as it claims doesnt want to build a bomb and its leadership considers it forbidden, then to save iran its in Iranian best interests to stop nuclear facilities and import nuclear energy. Then use this to declare Iran has proven they will not build a bomb and has ended nuclear enrichment, with Russian Chinese support this can be done. In the future if the tide changes then iran can do whatever they want to since they'll be in much stronger position if sanctions are removed etc.

 

[PakAl]

I'm very confident that if Iran decides to sink a USN ship, it has the ability of doing it successfully even after a devastating first strike by USAF

I'm not doubting the capabilities, but the will of IRI to issue an order to sink a USN ship, they can even sink a carrier, Iran has the capabilities, the doubt part is appetite to do so

The consequences is another issue, at the moment the most Usa will do is bomb nuclear and ballistic missile facilities, if Iran indeed does considerable damage to Usa carriers then Nato attack is guranteed which will harm Iran more.

 

[tsunset]

Israeli estimates says the protests are still ongoing and reached 100.000 deaths including 360.000 injured

 

[sharreman10]

Israeli estimates says the protests are still ongoing and reached 100.000 deaths including 360.000 injured

Israel can estimate the size of my.. these guys are shameless.