Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakAl]

for past 14 years , I repeated "We should have nukes"

most my countrymen just mocked me and banned me from forums ...

I still repeat it : " we should have nukes "

I still have hunch Iran does possess the nukes in order to defend themselves, or else why insist on nuclear enrichment and face decades of extreme sanctions which cost Iran 100s of billions, they could have just imported nuclear energy or went renewal.

 

[Yasser76]

Whatever happens next, considering the relative weakness Iran has with regards to the US military (well, any country has against the US military), I can but only admire the courage and conviction of the Iranians. Not debating who is right or wrong, but one thing you can never say is that they bowed their heads.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I still have hunch Iran does possess the nukes in order to defend themselves, or else why insist on nuclear enrichment and face decades of extreme sanctions which cost Iran 100s of billions, they could have just imported nuclear energy or went renewal.

Because it has stupid leaders

 

[BigMela2onin]

Though there is a difference, Houthis didn't have anything to loose, but Iran does. Iran can loose 100s of billions of $ incase of war

There is not much to lose at this point. They intend to end all Iranian energy exports.

 

[mangekyo]

There is not much to lose at this point. They intend to end all Iranian energy exports.

My friend. There are always people on top of the food chain. The bottomfeeders might have nothing to lose. But the people on top have everything to lose.

 

[Meengla]

Hey since we are all speculating like mad here, what if Khamenei is considering resigning to avoid a war ?

Israeli thinktanks don't want a united Iranian nation as priority. I don't think a 'regime change' is the target: It is to turn Iran into another Libya or Syria. If a 'regime' is changed today and becomes 'friendly' to Israel but in future that can turn against Israel and Israeli thinktanks even say that. The best outcome for Israel would be a fragmented Iranian nation, if that can be achieved. Even Trump has cast doubt on the so-called Crown Prince as replacement should a 'regime change' happen.
As to Khamenei, I think, unlike Maduro, kidnapping or killing a very old spiritual leader of particular sect of Islam will really ignite a regional hatred against Israel and Western interests; it would be counterproductive and doing so will display nothing but stupidity and arrogance in one action.

 

[PakAl]

Honestly this forum has so many wise guys for decades. Some, even though living in America, have displayed lazy, lack of understanding of the two political parties' cadre and their different approaches, even if not huge differences. Some bringing up the so-called Arab betrayal of the Ottoman Empire a century ago to justify Turkey's policies and what's happening to the 'Arab' Palestinians now. Then there are the wise guys who thought Syria was getting 'free' after Assad fell. And then some wise guys, especially a pugnacious Palestinian, on my Ignore list, who kept saying the Iran vs Israel rivalry was all fake and they are working together; that guy even belittled what Hezbollah was doing in the recent Israel-Gaza/Hezbollah war.
Oh, my! It seems those of us who are not even directly involved knew better than those whose origin are in the Middle East. This was all about Israel's unquestionable dominance in the entire region and now is the real push to bring down Iran and then Turkey and then... maybe Pakistan.
But the PDF's decade old wise guys will keep spinning outrageous theories, often from their Western abodes.

Israel already announced their middleeast policy, they will change the map of the middleeast, they will rise as the undisputed power, noone can challenge or threaten them, and they cannot afford to have enemy states or militias firing missiles at them. Hizbollah neutralised for now but will be dealt with, Syria Assad finished, Saddam finished, Gaddafi finished, Yemen is just 1 militia and they will be dealt with, Iran is the only target left, Turkey secular army will keep everyone in check so no threat, Pakistan is the same, we mind our own business but yes India wants a civil war and destruction of Pakistan, GCC are toothless puppets, Egypt is another potential threat but they have no cutting edge weaponary.

 

[mangekyo]

Israeli thinktanks don't want a united Iranian nation as priority. I don't think a 'regime change' is the target: It is to turn Iran into another Libya or Syria. If a 'regime' is changed today and becomes 'friendly' to Israel but in future that can turn against Israel and Israeli thinktanks even say that. The best outcome for Israel would be a fragmented Iranian nation, if that can be achieved. Even Trump has cast doubt on the so-called Crown Prince as replacement should a 'regime change' happen.
As to Khamenei, I think, unlike Maduro, kidnapping or killing a very old spiritual leader of particular sect of Islam will really ignite a regional hatred against Israel and Western interests; it would be counterproductive and doing so will display nothing but stupidity and arrogance in one action.

You guys think too much with emotions. People have short term memory. If Khamenei gets killed, Shias will be angry for a month or two and then they will move on. Nasrallah died, they mourned and moved on. Al-Jawlani used to chop heads for a living. Now he is the president of Syria. People move on. Erdogan dismantled weapons corridor to AoR and fueled the Gaza genocide, he made one speech against the west and forum is talking about Turkey conquering Jerusalem now. You’re overthinking it.

 

[VCheng]

The best outcome for Israel would be a fragmented Iranian nation, if that can be achieved.

Not to upset you by stating the obvious, but the longer the economic strangulation lasts, the more likely such an outcome becomes achievable.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Israeli thinktanks don't want a united Iranian nation as priority. I don't think a 'regime change' is the target: It is to turn Iran into another Libya or Syria. If a 'regime' is changed today and becomes 'friendly' to Israel but in future that can turn against Israel and Israeli thinktanks even say that. The best outcome for Israel would be a fragmented Iranian nation, if that can be achieved. Even Trump has cast doubt on the so-called Crown Prince as replacement should a 'regime change' happen.
As to Khamenei, I think, unlike Maduro, kidnapping or killing a very old spiritual leader of particular sect of Islam will really ignite a regional hatred against Israel and Western interests; it would be counterproductive and doing so will display nothing but stupidity and arrogance in one action.

interestingly, situation eerily calm on IR side

 

[Watandar]

You guys think too much with emotions. People have short term memory. If Khamenei gets killed, Shias will be angry for a month or two and then they will move on. Nasrallah died, they mourned and moved on. Al-Jawlani used to chop heads for a living. Now he is the president of Syria. People move on. Erdogan dismantled weapons corridor to AoR and fueled the Gaza genocide, he made one speech against the west and forum is talking about Turkey conquering Jerusalem now. You’re overthinking it.

I believe the assassination of Khamenei and high ranking IRGC people is the main American objective. These scenarios of a heavy bombing campaign, letting loose Daesh in Iraq, an economic blockade seem neocon forever war approaches that Trump usually doesn't like.

He will either go for assassination or just fire a few Tomahawkes in frustration at targets and move on.

 

[mangekyo]

I believe the assassination of Khamenei and high ranking IRGC people is the main American objective. These scenarios of a heavy bombing campaign, letting loose Daesh in Iraq, an economic blockade seem neocon forever war approaches that Trump usually doesn't like.

He will either go for assassination or just fire a few Tomahawkes in frustration at targets and move on.

Khamenei is 86. There’s no need to drag the US into a long conflict to take him out.

Even taking him out won’t cause regime change. This is netanyahus doing. He wants to use Trump to cause as much damage and chaos as possible and take Iran back a couple decades. He wants civil war and chaos.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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hopefully we see these bunker buster warheads make their combat debut

 

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Khamenei is preparing himself for the biggest decisions of his life