Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[gamaji]

@Fatman17

I think that IND should keep its distance from US till the time Trump's presidency gets over or he gets his Nobel, whichever is earlier. Else Trump would make India his bali ka bakra to get his NPP.

Regards

The question then remains if president Trump will let Modi hide in his isolation with peace of mind? Also, will Modi keep taking all those barbs before he is forced to come out and face the reality.

BTW, Indians hope by not joining the peace board will cause the world forget the Kashmir dispute. I am sure the peace board will focus on this dispute sooner than later. Modi will come out of his hiding while tail-flipping like a fish out of water.

 

[safriz]

This guy did a great job compiling evidence of 7 Indian aircrafts and UAV crashes

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[Watandar]

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Please don't patronize "reaction videos". They are the excrement of the internet.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

The report which had the “translator” as French government official tied to the Rafale program from the start and educated at Indian military academy.

Well no one believes more than one Rafale was down during the time.

France is having own version to accept and china is having own version to propagate even USA reports said about chinese propaganda. On the claims made.

Only if someone being neutral concludes this incident- they can clearly say that both sides got exposed on different issues.

But the funny part is that both sides declared victory as always government propagate after the war, nothing new.

Best funny part was to me declaring holiday personally

 

[gamaji]

Here are the important points from the Swiss military report “Operation Sindoor: The India-Pakistan Air War (7-10 May 2025)” by the Centre for Military History and Perspective Studies (CHPM) — based on the document itself and multiple analyses of it:

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• The report is a 47-page independent study by CHPM, a Swiss military history and strategic research institution.
• Authored by military historian Adrien Fontanellaz and reviewed by a committee of defence specialists.

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• The study examines the 88-hour air war between India and Pakistan from 7–10 May 2025, triggered by a major terrorist attack and ensuing Indian military response.

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• Pakistan’s initial tactical success:
  Pakistan achieved an early tactical edge on 7 May, shooting down several Indian aircraft, including at least one Rafale (only a few Indian aircraft losses are supported by verifiable visual proof e.g., one Rafale, one Mirage-2000, and possibly a third fighter like a MiG-29 or Su-30MKI), not the higher numbers initially claimed by Pakistan), which attracted international attention.
• Indian counter-operations:
  India detected Pakistani preparations for further strikes and responded quickly with counterattacks on 9–10 May using long-range missiles and precision strikes.

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• The report concludes that, after the initial phase, the Indian Air Force (IAF) gained clear air superiority by degrading Pakistan’s air defence infrastructure and executing coordinated strikes.
• This dominance contributed significantly to Pakistan seeking a ceasefire to end the conflict.

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• The study emphasizes the importance of integrated air defence and long-range strike capabilities in modern air warfare.
• It notes the role of drones, sophisticated radar and electronic warfare in shaping outcomes.

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• According to the report, Operation Sindoor reflects a shift in India’s counter-terror and military doctrine — viewing future serious terrorist acts linked to Pakistan as state-level threats requiring robust conventional responses.
• It also portrays the IAF as a rapidly maturing force with modern capabilities, reinforcing India’s regional military position.

• The report observes that claims by both sides during the conflict often differed significantly, making cross-verification difficult

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf?

The authors of this report apparently know more than the Indian ADS. He publically admitted the grounding of IAF for at least two days after it lost fighter jets to PAF while doing 'more important' thing i.e. learning why those Indian planes were shot down. This report is trying to portray that as a dominance of IAF. I am glad you finally got something to celebrate. Congratulations to all Indians.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

The authors of this report apparently know more than the Indian ADS. He publically admitted the grounding of IAF for at least two days after it lost fighter jets to PAF while doing 'more important' thing i.e. learning why those Indian planes were shot down. This report is trying to portray that as a dominance of IAF. I am glad you finally got something to celebrate. Congratulations to all Indians.

This again reads like one-sided propaganda. No internationally published reports support this claim.

The IAF played a major role in targeting radars, airbases, and other key installations, especially when compared to the PAF’s actions on the first day, the 7th—something that has already been widely acknowledged.

No international reports back this propaganda that iAF was grounded

 

[safriz]

Please don't patronize "reaction videos". They are the excrement of the internet.

watch the video. The guy has done a great job compiling evidence of IAF planes shot down by PAF

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

I usually don’t post here because most discussions are based on fantasy, personal beliefs, or narratives sold by governments rather than facts.

However, since I’m here, I want to add some very important points.

What happened during that incident gives a glimpse of how a future war between India and Pakistan would look. For example, India and the IAF targeted multiple airbases and destroyed several radar installations. This was essentially a preview of how the next war would unfold.

In war a scenario, neither the PAF nor the IAF can freely cross into each other’s territory like in previous wars. Once key installations and critical bases are neutralized, the role of the air force becomes even more decisive. Many people here ignore how Pakistan’s air defense failed in this aspect.

If Pakistan is unable to address these vulnerabilities in a future conflict, the PAF would be severely constrained. Supporting assets like AWACS and electronic warfare aircraft cannot operate near the borders—they would have to stay deep inside. As a result, fighter aircraft would be flying largely unsupported, turning missions into near-dead missions.

Many factors are crucial in modern warfare, but people here rarely discuss them seriously.

 

[sutton9999]

Here are the important points from the Swiss military report “Operation Sindoor: The India-Pakistan Air War (7-10 May 2025)” by the

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• The report is a 47-page independent study
• Adrien Fontanellaz and reviewed by a committee of defence specialists.

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf?

Cut the crap, some jeet wrote and pay for it, put some white monkey name on it.

Just look at how many billions on the line, the campaign India launched after the defeat tells us all.

 

[Watandar]

Cut the crap, some jeet wrote and pay for it, put some white monkey name on it.

Just look at how many billions on the line, the campaign India launched after the defeat tells us all.

Agree but his point is that the next conflict is going to look very different than May 2025 or 2019 or 2016. The Indians are going to do multiple waves of saturation attacks using drones and missiles on Pakistan's military and industry and then their air force, navy and army will go into action. Are Pakistanis thinking about how to fight that or engaging in endless navel gazing ?

 

[safriz]

I usually don’t post here because most discussions are based on fantasy, personal beliefs, or narratives sold by governments rather than facts.

However, since I’m here, I want to add some very important points.

What happened during that incident gives a glimpse of how a future war between India and Pakistan would look. For example, India and the IAF targeted multiple airbases and destroyed several radar installations. This was essentially a preview of how the next war would unfold.

In war a scenario, neither the PAF nor the IAF can freely cross into each other’s territory like in previous wars. Once key installations and critical bases are neutralized, the role of the air force becomes even more decisive. Many people here ignore how Pakistan’s air defense failed in this aspect.

If Pakistan is unable to address these vulnerabilities in a future conflict, the PAF would be severely constrained. Supporting assets like AWACS and electronic warfare aircraft cannot operate near the borders—they would have to stay deep inside. As a result, fighter aircraft would be flying largely unsupported, turning missions into near-dead missions.

Many factors are crucial in modern warfare, but people here rarely discuss them seriously.

Pakistan is a barely 500 Km wide country stuck with Indian North Western Border. There is no air base, no military installation or any point in Pakistan which will ever be more than a few hundred kilometers from an Indian weapon system.
On the other hand India has very large area and depth of more than a Thousand Kilometers.
This is Pakistans vulnarability by virtue of geography which cannot be fixed.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Agree but his point is that the next conflict is going to look very different than May 2025 or 2019 or 2016. The Indians are going to do multiple waves of saturation attacks using drones and missiles on Pakistan's military and industry and then their air force, navy and army will go into action. Are Pakistanis thinking about how to fight that or engaging in endless navel gazing ?

The real question is: where was the Pakistan Air Force on 8th and 9th May, and why was there no visible impact?

The answer lies in how air power has been employed since the early 1990s. Modern air forces, especially between nuclear-armed neighbors, are no longer used primarily for large-scale, deep offensive strikes. Instead, they function mainly as deterrence tools and for airspace security.

If we look at recent conflicts, the same pattern appears. In the Iran–Israel exchange, Israel did not rely on conventional fighter penetration at scale. Most strikes were standoff in nature, and only fifth-generation aircraft were used selectively, mainly for penetration, intelligence, and limited interdiction. The focus was on critical installations rather than broad air campaigns.

Applying this to the India–Pakistan context, the PAF’s role on 8th and 9th May was largely defensive: maintaining airspace security, deterring escalation, and ensuring survivability of assets. Paf was totally unable to showcase capabilities on offensive role!

In today’s warfare environment, if conflict were to occur, the PAF would likely have a limited direct offensive role. Its primary mission would remain air defense, early warning, and deterrence. Demonstrating capability through controlled responses is one thing, but sustained targeting of Indian infrastructure or bases would be strategically constrained.

In contrast, India’s actions focused on showcasing capability by targeting supporting infrastructure and critical installations, integrating air power with ground and other strategic assets. This reflects modern doctrine, where air forces support broader strategic objectives rather than acting as standalone offensive tools.

If i conclude in short way - if full war broke Today, paf will be end with a few claims that based on facts and many with fancy, but will not impact mostly, until others challenges get fixed

 

[Jango007]

This again reads like one-sided propaganda. No internationally published reports support this claim.

The IAF played a major role in targeting radars, airbases, and other key installations, especially when compared to the PAF’s actions on the first day, the 7th—something that has already been widely acknowledged.

No international reports back this propaganda that iAF was grounded

Except your air chief said they took time to recalibrate for two days and were back in the skies after two days ….

 

[Watandar]

The real question is: where was the Pakistan Air Force on 8th and 9th May, and why was there no visible impact?

The answer lies in how air power has been employed since the early 1990s. Modern air forces, especially between nuclear-armed neighbors, are no longer used primarily for large-scale, deep offensive strikes. Instead, they function mainly as deterrence tools and for airspace security. Direct air-to-air or deep penetration missions carry a high risk of escalation and are therefore tightly controlled.

If we look at recent conflicts, the same pattern appears. In the Iran–Israel exchange, Israel did not rely on conventional fighter penetration at scale. Most strikes were standoff in nature, and only fifth-generation aircraft were used selectively, mainly for penetration, intelligence, and limited interdiction. The focus was on critical installations rather than broad air campaigns.

Applying this to the India–Pakistan context, the PAF’s role on 8th and 9th May was largely defensive: maintaining airspace security, deterring escalation, and ensuring survivability of assets. Large offensive actions against Indian bases would have risked rapid escalation without offering proportional strategic gain.

In today’s warfare environment, if conflict were to occur, the PAF would likely have a limited direct offensive role. Its primary mission would remain air defense, early warning, and deterrence. Demonstrating capability through controlled responses is one thing, but sustained targeting of Indian infrastructure or bases would be strategically and politically constrained.

In contrast, India’s actions focused on showcasing capability by targeting supporting infrastructure and critical installations, integrating air power with ground and other strategic assets. This reflects modern doctrine, where air forces support broader strategic objectives rather than acting as standalone offensive tools.

how quickly Indians return to being trolls. To answer the first question Pakistan was mostly watching the grounded Indian Air Force on May 8th and 9th and still launched attacks against Indian AD, that's when the Su400 radar got hit. I am not going to waste my time on the rest of your codswallop.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

how quickly Indians return to being trolls. To answer the first question Pakistan was mostly watching the grounded Indian Air Force on May 8th and 9th and still launched attacks against Indian AD, that's when the Su400 radar got hit. I am not going to waste my time on the rest of your codswallop.

That's the reason - I don't post because many people just live with fancy thoughts. Anyway good day!

SUl400 was hit? You know the difference about the claims - india was doing the press briefing daily with the photos evidence, and Pakistan was claiming by saying - see what news paper said, one operator (unconfirmed news).. I am not interested to waste on useless claims either. Thanks I am out of this thread...