Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Yasser76]

Don't underestimate Trump. Something tells me this time Trump really doesn't care if this becomes an all-out war, either because he is stupid and not well versed in military matters that he thinks the US can win easily without suffering any serious casualties like his 2 previous military strikes he ordered against Iranian VIP and nuke sites, because Israel has him now under a leash.

So this time it's more serious than before, due to very nature of Trump's specific threats. This is not just symbolism or gestures, he really thinks he's confident the US military can somehow disable all of Iran's retaliatory options within a day and limit US Casualties to Zero Men Killed and Zero Ships Sunk...

So it is Iran's job to prove him wrong and enforce peace via overwhelming force to show him what Iran is capable of and how they won't like it when Iran gets really......MAD!

Yes, Trump's unpredicatbility os the curve ball in all of this for sure.

 

[Eşbah]

Iran's oil industry needs a lot of investment

and American workers on the ground gives the US a stake in Iran's stability and future

but Israel will veto this proposal

I think so, too. This would be beneficial for Iran, the US, Turkey, and all others in the region and beyond, except for the Netanyahu regime. So, we know it won't happen.

I don't believe that the Turkish government has the influence to persuade Trump to call off the attack on Iran but it's worth a shot.

 

[Homajon]

I think so, too. This would be beneficial for Iran, the US, Turkey, and all others in the region and beyond, except for the Netanyahu regime. So, we know it won't happen.

I don't believe that the Turkish government has the influence to persuade Trump to call off the attack on Iran but it's worth a shot.

Aren't you the guy who after the war 7 months ago excitedly and happily acted like a major Kurdish secessionist uprising was currently taking place in Iran and central authority lost all control over Kurdish regions?

 

[Meengla]

US will strike, not achieve much and Iran will strike back and probably not achieve much. Both sides will look strong to their population.

I don't think Netanyahu--who is the prime driver of what's going on--will settle for anything less than Iran's long range missile capability eroded as long as Trump is the President. Remember he said 'Unique Opportunity' after Assad govt fell in Syria. So if not now then by the time Trump leaves the office--which is sadly still about 3 years away--a major, frontal war on Iran is very likely.

Unless you send a lot of boots on the ground you cannot defeat Iran. Even that will be no guarantor of success.
What is going on is partly show and partly negotiation tactics

The only places Americans would put significant 'boots on the ground, like done in case of Afghanistan (2001) and Iraq (2003) will be places like Greenland, Panama... There is no appetite in this country for casualties.

 

[mangekyo]

Unless you send a lot of boots on the ground you cannot defeat Iran. Even that will be no guarantor of success.

It doesn’t have to be American boots.

 

[Meengla]

I think so, too. This would be beneficial for Iran, the US, Turkey, and all others in the region and beyond, except for the Netanyahu regime. So, we know it won't happen.

As I said yesterday, the Obama admin worked hard on JCPOA arrangement with Iran because it is not in American interests to keep bogged down in the Middle East. Obama did so despite Netanyahu's bitter opposition. Then came Trump-- a certifiable Netanyahu stooge, who undid years of hard work.
Never underestimate the personal biases of US Presidents which play outsized roles in shaping American policies. And never underestimate the influence of their respective cadres in shaping the Presidents' policies. To uninformed eyes, both the Democratic and the Republican parties are the same. But those are uninformed. A cursory browsing of FOX vs CNN on You Tube would betray what the respective cadre think even on foreign policy.

 

[Yasser76]

It doesn’t have to be American boots.

Not many people will be lining up to take on the Iranian ground forces. Their air force is one thing, but anyone who thinks they can invade Iran on the ground is straight up crazy. Even the USSR thought Afghanistan and it's tribals and mountains were easier to invade for access to a warm port then try and fight Iran.

 

[Aziqbal]

here's the issues

Iran ha no nukes but they do have a good offensive capability with also little defence

the issue with the offensive capability is its actually pretty good

and worrying thing for US is that if Iran manages to hit the American Carrier it would be the first since WW2

this would be a huge embarrassment for US in front of Russia and mainly China and immediately they will start building the Iranians use to target the Carriers

if Iran hits even a USN DDG that is simply too much

US has relied on bombing weak nations not strong ones

even Operation Mid night hammer was pre-arranged , they told Iran we're coming move your good stuff and we can accept a retaliation as long as no Americans are killed

this time that equation is different this time Iran will retaliate with full force

 

[SolarWarden]

I wouldn't be surprised if or when US attacks US air drops a cht load of weapons to "resistance fighters" all over the country as IRGC and other regime security forces are being bombed. There's already a huge network inside Iran they are likely waiting for US to strike as the green light to overthrow the regime.

 

[Bharatah]

Trump dropped 3 out of the 4 demands:

Donald Trump has warned Iran it must do “two things” to avoid US military action, as US forces continue to build in the Middle East.

"Number one, no nuclear. And number two, stop killing protesters," the US president said, adding that there are “lot of very big, very powerful ships sailing to Iran right now”.

As I've posted here countless times, there will be no total war; the US and Israel don't have the power to destroy Iran in a total war. The only way to overthrow the government is with a color revolution/Maduro-style betrayal; otherwise, there's no way.
So, Trump wants Iran not to kill the Mossad spies and CIA agents inside Iran (who are called "Iranian protests" in the media), so that in the future he can try to overthrow the government.

Trump (receiving orders from the Zionist elite) wants to force Iran to accept a color revolution, but it won't happen.

 

[KingQamaR]

Turkey needs to put a stop to Baku, before it to becomes like ZIO UAE.

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[Bharatah]

here's the issues

Iran ha no nukes but they do have a good offensive capability with also little defence

the issue with the offensive capability is its actually pretty good

and worrying thing for US is that if Iran manages to hit the American Carrier it would be the first since WW2

this would be a huge embarrassment for US in front of Russia and mainly China and immediately they will start building the Iranians use to target the Carriers

if Iran hits even a USN DDG that is simply too much

US has relied on bombing weak nations not strong ones

even Operation Mid night hammer was pre-arranged , they told Iran we're coming move your good stuff and we can accept a retaliation as long as no Americans are killed

this time that equation is different this time Iran will retaliate with full force

It is likely that after the 12-day war, Iran already possesses nuclear weapons that may have been developed or delivered ready-made by North Korea.

 

[mangekyo]

Not many people will be lining up to take on the Iranian ground forces. Their air force is one thing, but anyone who thinks they can invade Iran on the ground is straight up crazy. Even the USSR thought Afghanistan and it's tribals and mountains were easier to invade for access to a warm port then try and fight Iran.

There are lots of separatist movements inside Iran. Multiple kurdish groups, Baluch groups, the Mossad agents who I don’t believe have been fully dismantled.

Turkey recently spoke about creating a buffer zone inside Iran if things come to that. The syrian government literally consists of old ISIS and Nusra members.

During the 12 day war, eyewitnesses reported about drones flying in from Azerbaijan. UAE is openly working with the Israelis. Saudi has spoken about Ahvaz before. They might claim they are neutral now, but the region is full of opportunists.

The goal wouldn’t be to invade Iran and plant a flag, but to cause as much destruction and chaos as possible. A Syrian style civil war. Maybe gain influence over regions. Support terrorists and separatist movements in Iran with US and Israeli air support.

 

[Meengla]

ROFL. We agree on nothing.
All I said is that war is not necessary because economic strangulation is far more potent, and hence a better choice.
War only makes things go a bit quicker, if that is what is wanted, but there is no rush here, at all.

You are playing on words now and changing the debate.
Iran has been under decades of strangulation, it simply has not worked, hence why the US is sending carriers.
Let me know if you need me to explain this more simply for you

I agree with @Yasser76 here: I don't think economic strangulation is going to work especially given the limited time left while Trump is the President. Obama knew what to do in the Middle East and if another Democratic POTUS comes to power with progressive ideas than even Obama then I see a revival of JCPOA. Biden was another Israel-firster like Trump is so JCPOA wasn't revived, though there was at least some talk about revival when Biden assumed the office.

 

[nibba]

Every day I come here, the same Zionist fake news is posted with the same content: Iran will be destroyed, war is imminent, 24 hours will be attacked, Israel won, etc.

All of this is disinformation about HYBRID WARFARE. There will be no open war because Iran today is 1000 times stronger than it was 20 years ago (when the US already considered war risky) and much stronger than Iraq in the 90s (which, with open war, took 12 years to overthrow the government, starting in 1991 and ending in 2003). Even today, the US doesn't control Iraq; just look at the fact that the new Iraqi head of state is an ally of Iran...

At most, what will happen is a media stunt, like the kidnapping of Maduro. For Trump to do jingoistic Twitter posts.

1000 times stronger how?

its been 20 years of economic rot