Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

Unless you send a lot of boots on the ground you cannot defeat Iran. Even that will be no guarantor of success.

It doesn’t have to be American boots.

 

[Meengla]

I think so, too. This would be beneficial for Iran, the US, Turkey, and all others in the region and beyond, except for the Netanyahu regime. So, we know it won't happen.

As I said yesterday, the Obama admin worked hard on JCPOA arrangement with Iran because it is not in American interests to keep bogged down in the Middle East. Obama did so despite Netanyahu's bitter opposition. Then came Trump-- a certifiable Netanyahu stooge, who undid years of hard work.
Never underestimate the personal biases of US Presidents which play outsized roles in shaping American policies. And never underestimate the influence of their respective cadres in shaping the Presidents' policies. To uninformed eyes, both the Democratic and the Republican parties are the same. But those are uninformed. A cursory browsing of FOX vs CNN on You Tube would betray what the respective cadre think even on foreign policy.

 

[Yasser76]

It doesn’t have to be American boots.

Not many people will be lining up to take on the Iranian ground forces. Their air force is one thing, but anyone who thinks they can invade Iran on the ground is straight up crazy. Even the USSR thought Afghanistan and it's tribals and mountains were easier to invade for access to a warm port then try and fight Iran.

 

[Aziqbal]

here's the issues

Iran ha no nukes but they do have a good offensive capability with also little defence

the issue with the offensive capability is its actually pretty good

and worrying thing for US is that if Iran manages to hit the American Carrier it would be the first since WW2

this would be a huge embarrassment for US in front of Russia and mainly China and immediately they will start building the Iranians use to target the Carriers

if Iran hits even a USN DDG that is simply too much

US has relied on bombing weak nations not strong ones

even Operation Mid night hammer was pre-arranged , they told Iran we're coming move your good stuff and we can accept a retaliation as long as no Americans are killed

this time that equation is different this time Iran will retaliate with full force

 

[SolarWarden]

I wouldn't be surprised if or when US attacks US air drops a cht load of weapons to "resistance fighters" all over the country as IRGC and other regime security forces are being bombed. There's already a huge network inside Iran they are likely waiting for US to strike as the green light to overthrow the regime.

 

[Bharatah]

Trump dropped 3 out of the 4 demands:

Donald Trump has warned Iran it must do “two things” to avoid US military action, as US forces continue to build in the Middle East.

"Number one, no nuclear. And number two, stop killing protesters," the US president said, adding that there are “lot of very big, very powerful ships sailing to Iran right now”.

As I've posted here countless times, there will be no total war; the US and Israel don't have the power to destroy Iran in a total war. The only way to overthrow the government is with a color revolution/Maduro-style betrayal; otherwise, there's no way.
So, Trump wants Iran not to kill the Mossad spies and CIA agents inside Iran (who are called "Iranian protests" in the media), so that in the future he can try to overthrow the government.

Trump (receiving orders from the Zionist elite) wants to force Iran to accept a color revolution, but it won't happen.

 

[KingQamaR]

Turkey needs to put a stop to Baku, before it to becomes like ZIO UAE.

 

[Bharatah]

here's the issues

Iran ha no nukes but they do have a good offensive capability with also little defence

the issue with the offensive capability is its actually pretty good

and worrying thing for US is that if Iran manages to hit the American Carrier it would be the first since WW2

this would be a huge embarrassment for US in front of Russia and mainly China and immediately they will start building the Iranians use to target the Carriers

if Iran hits even a USN DDG that is simply too much

US has relied on bombing weak nations not strong ones

even Operation Mid night hammer was pre-arranged , they told Iran we're coming move your good stuff and we can accept a retaliation as long as no Americans are killed

this time that equation is different this time Iran will retaliate with full force

It is likely that after the 12-day war, Iran already possesses nuclear weapons that may have been developed or delivered ready-made by North Korea.

 

[mangekyo]

Not many people will be lining up to take on the Iranian ground forces. Their air force is one thing, but anyone who thinks they can invade Iran on the ground is straight up crazy. Even the USSR thought Afghanistan and it's tribals and mountains were easier to invade for access to a warm port then try and fight Iran.

There are lots of separatist movements inside Iran. Multiple kurdish groups, Baluch groups, the Mossad agents who I don’t believe have been fully dismantled.

Turkey recently spoke about creating a buffer zone inside Iran if things come to that. The syrian government literally consists of old ISIS and Nusra members.

During the 12 day war, eyewitnesses reported about drones flying in from Azerbaijan. UAE is openly working with the Israelis. Saudi has spoken about Ahvaz before. They might claim they are neutral now, but the region is full of opportunists.

The goal wouldn’t be to invade Iran and plant a flag, but to cause as much destruction and chaos as possible. A Syrian style civil war. Maybe gain influence over regions. Support terrorists and separatist movements in Iran with US and Israeli air support.

 

[Meengla]

ROFL. We agree on nothing.
All I said is that war is not necessary because economic strangulation is far more potent, and hence a better choice.
War only makes things go a bit quicker, if that is what is wanted, but there is no rush here, at all.

You are playing on words now and changing the debate.
Iran has been under decades of strangulation, it simply has not worked, hence why the US is sending carriers.
Let me know if you need me to explain this more simply for you

I agree with @Yasser76 here: I don't think economic strangulation is going to work especially given the limited time left while Trump is the President. Obama knew what to do in the Middle East and if another Democratic POTUS comes to power with progressive ideas than even Obama then I see a revival of JCPOA. Biden was another Israel-firster like Trump is so JCPOA wasn't revived, though there was at least some talk about revival when Biden assumed the office.

 

[nibba]

Every day I come here, the same Zionist fake news is posted with the same content: Iran will be destroyed, war is imminent, 24 hours will be attacked, Israel won, etc.

All of this is disinformation about HYBRID WARFARE. There will be no open war because Iran today is 1000 times stronger than it was 20 years ago (when the US already considered war risky) and much stronger than Iraq in the 90s (which, with open war, took 12 years to overthrow the government, starting in 1991 and ending in 2003). Even today, the US doesn't control Iraq; just look at the fact that the new Iraqi head of state is an ally of Iran...

At most, what will happen is a media stunt, like the kidnapping of Maduro. For Trump to do jingoistic Twitter posts.

1000 times stronger how?

its been 20 years of economic rot

 

[tsunset]

UAE is an existential threat to Iran

If Iran falls, they will annex the Iranian islands and give them to Israel to proceed to their next victim with an advantage

 

[Bharatah]

Every day I come here, the same Zionist fake news is posted with the same content: Iran will be destroyed, war is imminent, 24 hours will be attacked, Israel won, etc.

All of this is disinformation about HYBRID WARFARE. There will be no open war because Iran today is 1000 times stronger than it was 20 years ago (when the US already considered war risky) and much stronger than Iraq in the 90s (which, with open war, took 12 years to overthrow the government, starting in 1991 and ending in 2003). Even today, the US doesn't control Iraq; just look at the fact that the new Iraqi head of state is an ally of Iran...

At most, what will happen is a media stunt, like the kidnapping of Maduro. For Trump to do jingoistic Twitter posts.

Everything that comes out in the Zionist media is a lie, part of the "BBC material":

"Trump knows Iran is militarily weaker than it was before last summer's 12-day war, and Tehran is aware that he has little appetite for a full-scale, open-ended conflict."
This is a classic example of hybrid warfare fake news, used to form coalitions of allies to attack a target by fabricating that it is "weaker," because if they believe it is strong, coalitions won't form.

Iran today is stronger than before the 12-day war; its defense systems have been replaced, new tactics have been implemented, and new technologies have been acquired (such as the one that shut down Starlink and all satellites, cutting off contact between Mossad spies and headquarters).

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

As I've posted here countless times, there will be no total war; the US and Israel don't have the power to destroy Iran in a total war. The only way to overthrow the government is with a color revolution/Maduro-style betrayal; otherwise, there's no way.
So, Trump wants Iran not to kill the Mossad spies and CIA agents inside Iran (who are called "Iranian protests" in the media), so that in the future he can try to overthrow the government.

Trump (receiving orders from the Zionist elite) wants to force Iran to accept a color revolution, but it won't happen.

We could sentence the spies to 20 years forced labor, chaining them together, forcing them to repair the damages. I dont know if Iran has such sentences.

 

[Eşbah]

It doesn’t have to be American boots.

This is the aspect that many people are either ignoring or simply do not realize. It doesn't necessarily need to be American boots present on the ground.

The US is planning to deploy PKK terrorists from Syria and Iraq to Iran, effectively transforming the nearby KRG/Northern Iraq into a sanctuary for these terrorists. Equipping them, training them, supplying intelligence, and bolstering their presence in KRG while continuously moving them in and out of Iraq to assassinate, attack, and displace Iranian security forces from NW Iran.

Unfortunately, the border between Iraq and Iran is quite porous, which has been somewhat advantageous for Iran for the past couple decades.

The IRI leadership has overlooked border security for strategic purposes, which I believe was a significant mistake. A semi-permeable border strategy would have been much more sensible and aligned with Iran's true interests.

Containing such a rebellion in the Zagros Mountains is incredibly challenging, expensive, and bloody -not only for Iran but for any country. It encompasses a vast area and serves as a potential leverage point to exert pressure on Iran's leadership whenever the US find it necessary.

I'm convinced that behind closed doors Washington is counting much more on PKK/PJAK than on a popular uprising after an initial attack on Iran.