Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

I’m not so sure anymore. Iran has to say that to save face.

FBI leaks show that they were concerned that Israel had too much influence on Trump in his first term vis a vi his son-in-law Jared. And we see it right now, Jared was in Moscow meeting with Putin alongside Witkoff. He was in Israel meeting with Bibi about Gaza post war plan.

The problem for Iran is that Trump’s Middle East envoy is basically his son in law…his JEWISH son in law to add. I just don’t think Jared will allow Iran to keep any enrichment or accept even a cessation.

Plus both terms (no enrichment and no LR missiles) require heavy monitoring which means Iran will have to agree to U.S. inspectors on its soil access to even military facilities to verify there isn’t secret nuclear program happening.

The issue here is, Putin is getting favorable deal terms because despite losing tens of thousands of soldiers (maybe even hundreds depending on who you believe) it was due to him not budging and continuing the war that gained Trumps respect.

Iran never had that moment. Never went to war when Israel was genociding, never went to war when Nasrallah was killed, never went to war when Embassy was blown up. Didn’t go to war over Solemani. He doesn’t respect Iran’s leaders, you even heard him say this past month that Solemani was a tough man. Alluding that this leadership isn’t built the same.

It’s hard to see how Iran let red line and red line go unanswered can now get the U.S. to “fear” the consequences of asking for capitulation and potentially getting no deal.

it's also because Trump has a weird fetish with nuclear weapons since his uncle was a nuclear scientist and told him nuclear weapons are the most powerful thing ever when he was a kid

the next war is the IRI's last chance is to fight to secure its existence, we will see what happens. but to go out without using Khorramshahr missiles or deploying all the Resistance at once or sending thousands of drones to all Persian Gulf oil facilities would be very strange

from Rubio's recent speech about a post-Khamenei Iran it seems they want to replicate the Venezuela playbook and work with a successor, but Iran has many competing factions that are all loyal to the system, so I don't think this can work unless one faction become much more powerful than the others

 

[Persian Gulf]

Was the blast in Bandar Abbas the result of death of IRGC Navy commodore? According to Wikipedia page for Alireza Tangsiri, he died today.

show us this wikipedia page that says this.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So you do know the farther away they actually are the better it is to defend against an Iranian attack and harder for Iran to see an attack coming the farther away they are but I’m just spitting out stuff could be fake news unless anyone can confirm it

also means harder to conduct as many sorties over Iran, so it's a trade off

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[PrinceofPersia]

War will bring nothing but destruction for both sides.

Iranian regime must realize the rules of the game have changed. Peaceful co-existence with KSA and Zion is not optional but a necessity .

- KSA wants Houthis off their backs
- Zion wants Iranian missile and nuclear threat off their backs

Agree for both in some way and the West's justification for impending attack would go away.

 

[Persian Gulf]

War will bring nothing but destruction for both sides.

Iranian regime must realize the rules of the game have changed. Peaceful co-existence with KSA and Zion is not optional but a necessity .

- KSA wants Houthis off their backs
- Zion wants Iranian missile and nuclear threat off their backs

Agree for both in some way and the West's justification for impending attack would go away.

OK, Iran agrees to give up medium range ballistic missiles

then Israel attacks anyway

what does Iran do then, after it has given away it's only way to defend itself against Israel?

 

[Shags101]

OK, Iran agrees to give up medium range ballistic missiles

then Israel attacks anyway

what does Iran do then, after it has given away it's only way to defend itself against Israel?

I don’t think Houthis are high on Saudis worry list anymore surprisingly they don’t even mention them at all I think everyone south has gone crazy.

Totally agree we know Israel is a country that will abide by agreements Lebanon,Syria ,Gaza and last but not least Iran(didn’t they also have a ceasefire with Israel and America) I guess people think Bibi is a man of his word….has no one paid attention to all of lies in his corruption cases he’s now saying ok I did it but it’s fine because trump said it was ok

 

[Shags101]

Iran should Check mate - do the unimaginable - announce readiness to sign Abraham Accords.

If Turks, Saudis, UAEs, and every other Muslim nation is dying to sign Abraham Accords, why can't Iran ?.

This is a cost but Shia nation and Shia power will be preserved .

Dude dude dude stop trolling no self respecting Iranian would ever say this sorry I’m calling you out ignore

 

[Watandar]

Iran should Check mate - do the unimaginable - announce readiness to sign Abraham Accords.

If Turks, Saudis, UAEs, and every other Muslim nation is dying to sign Abraham Accords, why can't Iran ?.

This is a cost but Shia nation and Shia power will be preserved .

Abraham Accords will NEVER be offered to iran or any country with substantial Shia population, do you know why ? Abraham Accords and its followup Abrahams Shield is envisioned by Tel Aviv as a Zio-Western-Sunni alliance. Sectarianism is at its core.

This is as silly as that once upon a time suggestion that Russia become a part of NATO. Then what would have been the point of NATO ???

 

[Shags101]

Abraham Accords will NEVER be offered to iran or any country with substantial Shia population, do you know why ? Abraham Accords and its followup Abrahams Shield is envisioned by Tel Aviv as a Zio-Western-Sunni alliance. Sectarianism is at its core.

Technically wrong Bahrain but I don’t think Shias there have any say in that

 

[Watandar]

Technically wrong Bahrain but I don’t think Shias there have any say in that

Good point. The dictatorship of Bahrain is in AA for the same reason Israel allows a small part of its population to be the original Palestinians from pre-1948, so they can tell the world look we are not anti-Palestinian, the whole fault of the conflict lies with Palestinians themselves.

 

[Persian Gulf]

@PrinceofPersia you didn't answer the question ....

if Iran agrees to give up it's missiles

and then recognises Israel

and kisses Israel's ass for 20 years in a row and becomes their best and favourite slaves in the whole wide world

what does Iran do if Israel then attacks Iran? you didn't answer.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Dude dude dude stop trolling no self respecting Iranian would ever say this sorry I’m calling you out ignore

even if we sign the Abraham Accords, it still doesn't explain what Iran will do if Israel later attacks if we give up our missiles.

 

[PrinceofPersia]

even if we sign the Abraham Accords, it still doesn't explain what Iran will do if Israel later attacks if we give up our missiles.

If Iran were to do AA, it's no longer a threat to Zion so Iran need not and should not give up missiles.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

If Iran were to do AA, it's no longer a threat to Zion so Iran need not and should not give up missiles.

You're willing to put your life on the line for that?
A known parasite... that has existed exactly on subterfuge and belligerence.

Mahmoud Abbas disagrees with you... how can someone wish to become a wilfull cuck to zion with the benefit of hindsight is beyond reckoning... and reckless still, even if you were living under a rock for past 100 years.