Trump says India will buy oil from Venezuela instead of Iran

[RamBharose]

The USA ensured that :

• Pakistan didn't lose the other half,
• Pakistan Administered Kashmir stayed with Pakistan,
• All Prisoners of War were exchanged.
• India signed the Simla Agreement
• Pakistan could survive to act as a bridge between the USA and China.
• Pakistan could develop nuclear weapons in the face of Soviet supported Indian aggression and direct Soviet aggression in Afghanistan
• Pakistan could get lethal F-16s shooting down dozens of Soviet and Afghan Air Force Planes in a message to the 5 times numerically superior Vayu Sena
• The USA helped Pakistan and the Mujahideen drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan and set the stage for the breakup up of the Soviet Union
• The USA ensured that an integrated and compact Pakistan shorn of its eastern unit would continue to rearm and re-equip to face off a 7:times superior enemy .

Looking back at Dhaka today, in 2025, the great 1 million surrender was sure worth it. Our planes will shortly be back in Lal Monirhat .

Baibers_1260 ji,

I don't believe that India ever had any interest in any of undivided Pakistan's territory. The Congress leaders were prophetic in realizing that an undivided British India would be a communal and ethnocentric cesspit and no one in India seriously wants to have to defend the Durand Line or deal with the Baloch insurgency. We are happy to stir trouble there from a safe distance.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Baibers_1260 ji,

I don't believe that India ever had any interest in any of undivided Pakistan's territory. The Congress leaders were prophetic in realizing that an undivided British India would be a communal and ethnocentric cesspit and no one in India seriously wants to have to defend the Durand Line or deal with the Baloch insurgency. We are happy to stir trouble there from a safe distance.

What was Operation Brasstacks about ?
Terrorism?
We were happy to stir up Khalistan from a safe distance.
We stirred up Bangladesh too. I hope FM Koee Hai is watching from above and the 1000 yeat revenge lady symbolizing a powerful entity who is the "destroyer of evil".

 

[El Sidd]

No those are not Muslim boys. These are Hindus of Central or Western India ( present day provinces of Madhya Pradesh or Maharashtra) wearing the so calleec "Gandhi " caps a common headgear of the region. The person with the turban is not a Sikh. He is cleanshaven with a small mustache. The turban style is from Madhya Pradesh ( paghdi) distinct from the Punjabi dastaar.
A posed picture, given the long shutter exposure times and wet plates of the era.

Their bodies seem too covered to be Hindus.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Their bodies seem too covered to be Hindus.

The British wanted their servants clad

 

[Baibers_1260]

Individuals who want to immigrate might be impacted. Outside of that it is noise
The smart ones will immigrate anyway to USA without any issues

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[El Sidd]

The British wanted their servants clad

Now Indians clothe the world. How ironic is the human being and its history.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Now Indians clothe the world. How ironic is the human being and its history.

Males wearing nothing on their upper torsos and wearing a loin cloth, dhoti or lungi in the lower half is cultural in 90% of rural India as of today ; particularly in the Southern and Eastern states.
Culturally during a religious ceremony males in Southern, and Eastern India typically are shirtless at the ceremony venue.
Religious ceremonies, could be festive occasions, weddings, or funerall rites.

Stitched clothing was unknown in ancient India or at least not popular. Lungis, Dhotis, and Sarees are simple pieces of cloth.

 

[nahtanbob]

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I said the smart ones. Any part of the word "smart" you did not understand

 

[RamBharose]

What was Operation Brasstacks about ?
Terrorism?
We were happy to stir up Khalistan from a safe distance.
We stirred up Bangladesh too. I hope FM Koee Hai is watching from above and the 1000 yeat revenge lady symbolizing a powerful entity who is the "destroyer of evil".

Operation Brasstacks was just a military exercise, albeit one ordered by a maverick chief, who wanted to give his generals some practical experience of commanding troops at an operational and strategic level.

It is the ISI's job to stir up trouble for India, just like it is RAW's job to stir up trouble for Pakistan, so what the ISI has done is not at all surprising. Fortunately for India, some of their energies presently seem to be diverted in engaging dissidents within the mainstream Pakistani Punjabi diaspora.

 

[Baibers_1260]

I said the smart ones. Any part of the word "smart" you did not understand

They are all "smart'" .
Depends on what you define as "smart ".
An "engineer " with a 10 paper semester carry over getting a Course Completion Certificate ( C3) from M.S. Rammiah Engineering College Bangaluru after paying 10 lakh capitation fee, is as smart as a NEET/JEE ( General Category) topper entrant from the Indian Institute of Sciences Bangaluru. The difference is that the MSR "graduate" can use AI to whip up a resume listing "exceptional " skills far more easily to get his visa interview at the Chennai consulate.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Operation Brasstacks was just a military exercise, albeit one ordered by a maverick chief, who wanted to give his generals some practical experience of commanding troops at an operational and strategic level.

Is that why the British Foreign secretary turned up and the Defence Minster got fired right in the midst of the Operation Brasstacks and Mandal friendly V.P, Singh was suddenly appointed without even a cabinet meeting or any cabinet reshuffle?

It is the ISI's job to stir up trouble for India, just like it is RAW's job to stir up trouble for Pakistan, so what the ISI has done is not at all surprising. Fortunately for India, some of their energies presently seem to be diverted in engaging dissidents within the mainstream Pakistani Punjabi diaspora.

Given its logistics and geography the ISI's Khalistan operation was never intended to be a reality. It was intended to be a payback for Bangladesh. Overall the results were quite satisfactory:
Let's take a look.

1. A deep and permanent divide amongst Hindus and Sikhs, who as the "sword of the Hindus" constituted 30% of the Indian Armed Forces . Compromising the sympathy and loyalty of the population of a crucial enemy border state just a few dozen kilometers from Pakistan's second largest city was a brilliant move. Only moral support was given to the Khalistan movement but it was sufficient for the purpose. The mistakes were all done by Mrs. Gandhi herself.
2. The significant moment was the assassination of Shrimati Indira Gandhi which eliminated the last potent secular threat to Pakistan . We dresd a united secular India which we faced in 1971 when we were unable to rally our population behind a religious passion because those whom we were fighting were both Indian Hindus and Bengal Muslims, and Kashmir was oddly quiet . We are looking forward to Yogi Adityanath becoming the Prime Minister of India. The clear battle lines would be psychologically easier to define. With all that said, we still Mrs. Indira Gandhi, because in a moment of sanity she did sign the Simla Accord which gave Pakistan some breathing room .
3. There were some "side shows" so to speak such as significant mutinies in the Indian Army, assassinations of senior army officers including the ex-newly retired Chief of Army Staff. The side-shows included multiple hijackings of aircraft and horrific sabotage of a packed jumbo jet over the Atlantic.
4. The assassination of Indira Gandhi resulted in near nationwide curfew and army called in to curb the horrific mass revenge lynching of Sikhs in a death toll never accurately estimated.

The Baluch insurgency is a festering wound and so is the TTP. terror. But such insurgencies and terror attacks have been going on for a long time. We have so far not had a Kanishk Boeing 747 explode in mid-air over the Atlantic, nor three quarters of the country under curfew to stem a holocaust that took out an unknown number (unofficial estimates 8,000–17,000 ) killed . in two days. We haven't lost a Prime Minister, and an ex-army chief yet, and no units of the Pakistani Army have mutinied... Yet,
RAW needs to do a better job in Baluchistan. It's Bangladesh operations were brilliant 350,000 Bengali troops and paramilitary, reserve and police forces revolted. Chittagong , Khulna and Sylhet were captured in March 1971 in a few days. It was a tough job for 40,000 West Pakistani troops to wrest them back but they did. The game was up when an additional 250,00 Indian troops joined the fight backed by 12 squadrons of fighter jets in November 1971. The famous "1 million " surrender. l
Well ..,much water has flown down the Padma river since m

 

[nahtanbob]

They are all "smart'" .
Depends on what you define as "smart ".
An "engineer " with a 10 paper semester carry over getting a Course Completion Certificate ( C3) from M.S. Rammiah Engineering College Bangaluru after paying 10 lakh capitation fee, is as smart as a NEET/JEE ( General Category) topper entrant from the Indian Institute of Sciences Bangaluru. The difference is that the MSR "graduate" can use AI to whip up a resume listing "exceptional " skills far more easily to get his visa interview at the Chennai consulate.

You are assuming most h1bs are applied at the US consulates in Chennai

 

[El Sidd]

Males wearing nothing on their upper torsos and wearing a loin cloth, dhoti or lungi in the lower half is cultural in 90% of rural India as of today ; particularly in the Southern and Eastern states.
Culturally during a religious ceremony males in Southern, and Eastern India typically are shirtless at the ceremony venue.
Religious ceremonies, could be festive occasions, weddings, or funerall rites.

Stitched clothing was unknown in ancient India or at least not popular. Lungis, Dhotis, and Sarees are simple pieces of cloth.

Ironic. Reminds me of a Tobacco seller who refused to smoke.

 

[Baibers_1260]

You are assuming most h1bs are applied at the US consulates in Chennai

The one's I have met usually are through Chennai, or Mumbai. Don't know if there is a consulate in Hyderabad.
The whole process is outsourced to agencies, or so I have heard.

 

[nahtanbob]

The one's I have met usually are through Chennai, or Mumbai. Don't know if there is a consulate in Hyderabad.
The whole process is outsourced to agencies, or so I have heard.

Majority of the h1b are to Indians who studied in USA