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[Baibers_1260]

Silicon Valley engineers make money off their stock grants. How many multi-trillion aerospace companies are there?

Check the Fortune 500 list and also check the oil and gas sector.Aerospace space and off road engineers have stock options and grants as well. We were talking about lifestyle and spending power, How many keyboard coolies fly their own planes ?

 

[nahtanbob]

Check the Fortune 500 list and also check the oil and gas sector.Aerospace space and off road engineers have stock options and grants as well. We were talking about lifestyle and spending power, How many keyboard coolies fly their own planes ?

You are free to draw your own conclusions. I know how much Boeing offered me for C++ control software engineer in 2017. It was 140k with no RSUs and 15% bonus. I know the base/RSU packages for big tech. It is not close

EDIT: there are 350 private propeller aircraft at Palo Alto city airport

 

[Baibers_1260]

You are free to draw your own conclusions. I know how much Boeing offered me for C++ control software engineer in 2017. It was 140k with no RSUs and 15% bonus. I know the base/RSU packages for big tech. It is not close.

Don't want to boast but I was making much more than that back then. It is not C++ Engineers who are valued, I write very basic C++ and Python programs myself though that is not my faculty being primarily an R & D mechanical systems engineer.
It is CONTROL LOGIC engineers writing programs on specific software that are valuable . These are whizkids that integrate the hundreds of solenoid valves, relays, actuators CAN BUS systems and micro cards to operate the machine into a living breathing organism.
It is WE mechanical and electrical engineers who tell the Control Engineers how the equipment should function and which electrical,pneumatic, hydraulic circuit is to be activated in what sequence to what input. It is OUR expertise that makes the fins on a AMRAAM missile twitch slightly keeping it on course as it chases its target . The neural networks that make this happen are defined by US , through thousands of hours on CAD modeling, CFD, FEA simulations. Which is why this niche club of engineers are so valuable. It is our work that keeps the trains running, the planes flying and the ships afloat.
C++ program writers are a very small contributors to the overall effort.

EDIT: there are 350 private airport at Palo Alto city airport

What is that supposed to mean? " 350 private airport at Palo Alto city airport "

 

[nahtanbob]

What is that supposed to mean? " 350 private airport at Palo Alto city airport "

There are 350 private propeller aircraft at Palo Alto Airport, 500 private propeller aircraft at San Carlos airport. You make it sound like Bay Area engineers have no wealth.

 

[nahtanbob]

Don't want to boast but I was making much more than that back then. It is not C++ Engineers who are valued, I write very basic C++ and Python programs myself though that is not my faculty being primarily an R & D mechanical systems engineer.
It is CONTROL LOGIC engineers writing programs on specific software that are valuable . These are whizkids that integrate the hundreds of solenoid valves, relays, actuators CAN BUS systems and micro cards to operate the machine into a living breathing organism.
It is WE mechanical and electrical engineers who tell the Control Engineers how the equipment should function and which electrical,pneumatic, hydraulic circuit is to be activated in what sequence to what input. It is OUR expertise that makes the fins on a AMRAAM missile twitch slightly keeping it on course as it chases its target . The neural networks that make this happen are defined by US , through thousands of hours on CAD modeling, CFD, FEA simulations. Which is why this niche club of engineers are so valuable. It is our work that keeps the trains running, the planes flying and the ships afloat.
C++ program writers are a very small contributors to the overall effort.

I am not arguing about the utility. I am telling who is getting paid more and how many positions are there in the industry

 

[Baibers_1260]

I am not arguing about the utility. I am telling who is getting paid more and how many positions are there in the industry

We are arguing about two different things. It is purchasing power and lifestyle, I already showed you how the same pay has completely different lifestyles in two different locations.

For your education:
Comparing DFW area on private aircraft ownership with Palo Alto :

Number of airports and airfields in the Dallas Area: 20 Link.
The data for all private aircraft in Dallas County is given here:
The link shows 2597 personal aircraft of which 538 are individually owned, 10, are in partnership, 1910 are corporate owned.
The Data for all aircraft in the Fort Worth County area is given here: ( Link)
The link shows Fort Worth County area has an 1827 aircraft of which 384 are individually owned

Going by individually owned aircraft alone the total number of aircraft in the Dallas Fort Worth area is 962 aircraft. Adding the co-owned or partnership, the number is closer to 1000.

There is no separate data base for individual types of privately owned aircraft ( jet, fixed wing, propeller, rotary wing, sail planes );other than the national FAA data records where each type and make of aircraft ownership has to be filtered by zip code.
A laborious process I am not going to undertake.

We do have data on Dallas area private aviation using AI search tools
Note the numbers below are for private jets (only not propeller aircraft).
Dallas
is a top-tier hub for private aviation, housing a significant portion of Texas's leading fleet.

• City Fleet: There are approximately 327 private jets based directly in Dallas.
• Regional Context: This makes Dallas the second-largest city for private jets in the U.S., narrowly trailing Houston (329) and followed by Fort Lauderdale (307).
• State-Level: Texas leads the nation with a total of 1,651 private jets, surpassing Florida and California.
• Flight Activity: Dallas Love Field (DAL) is one of the busiest private aviation hubs in the country, recording nearly 40,000 business jet departures annually

On the aerospace industry in Dallas:

The Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) area is a major hub for aviation and aerospace, featuring
over 700 companies. This sector supports more than 100,000 jobs in North Texas, with major industry leaders including Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter, and Airbus Helicopters. The region is a central component of Texas's broader aerospace network, which includes 2,000+ statewide establishments.

This is just for Dallas, we are not even counting Seattle, Wichita KS, Charleston SC, other major aerospace hubs driven by manufacturing giants like Boeing and Lockheed Martin ,
Other critical, specialized hubs include Huntsville (rockets/defense), Cape Canaveral (space), Denver/Colorado Springs, and Washington D.C./Maryland

Living in bubble doesn't help awareness.

 

[nahtanbob]

We are arguing about two different things. It is purchasing power and lifestyle, I already showed you how the same pay has completely different lifestyles in two different locations.

For your education:
Comparing DFW area on private aircraft ownership with Palo Alto :

Number of airports and airfields in the Dallas Area: 20 Link.
The data for all private aircraft in Dallas County is given here:
The link shows 2597 personal aircraft of which 538 are individually owned, 10, are in partnership, 1910 are corporate owned.
The Data for all aircraft in the Fort Worth County area is given here: ( Link)
The link shows Fort Worth County area has an 1827 aircraft of which 384 are individually owned

Going by individually owned aircraft alone the total number of aircraft in the Dallas Fort Worth area is 962 aircraft. Adding the co-owned or partnership, the number is closer to 1000.

There is no separate data base for individual types of privately owned aircraft ( jet, fixed wing, propeller, rotary wing, sail planes );other than the national FAA data records where each type and make of aircraft ownership has to be filtered by zip code.
A laborious process I am not going to undertake.

We do have data on Dallas area private aviation using AI search tools
Note the numbers below are for private jets (only not propeller aircraft).
Dallas
is a top-tier hub for private aviation, housing a significant portion of Texas's leading fleet.

• City Fleet: There are approximately 327 private jets based directly in Dallas.
• Regional Context: This makes Dallas the second-largest city for private jets in the U.S., narrowly trailing Houston (329) and followed by Fort Lauderdale (307).
• State-Level: Texas leads the nation with a total of 1,651 private jets, surpassing Florida and California.
• Flight Activity: Dallas Love Field (DAL) is one of the busiest private aviation hubs in the country, recording nearly 40,000 business jet departures annually

On the aerospace industry in Dallas:

The Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) area is a major hub for aviation and aerospace, featuring
over 700 companies. This sector supports more than 100,000 jobs in North Texas, with major industry leaders including Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter, and Airbus Helicopters. The region is a central component of Texas's broader aerospace network, which includes 2,000+ statewide establishments.

This is just for Dallas, we are not even counting Seattle, Wichita KS, Charleston SC, other major aerospace hubs driven by manufacturing giants like Boeing and Lockheed Martin ,
Other critical, specialized hubs include Huntsville (rockets/defense), Cape Canaveral (space), Denver/Colorado Springs, and Washington D.C./Maryland

Living in bubble doesn't help awareness.

You are trying to argue Dallas is richer than Silicon Valley. Good luck

EDIT: Silicon Valley pays $130 billion in taxes for the California State Budget. I will let you figure out how much income you need to make to pay $130 billion in taxes. This is population of less than 9 million

 

[Baibers_1260]

You are trying to argue Dallas is richer than Silicon Valley. Good luck

EDIT: Silicon Valley pays $130 billion in taxes for the California State Budget. I will let you figure out how much income you need to make to pay $130 billion in taxes. This is population of less than 9 million

I was countering your point that Palo Alto has more aircraft, to which you conveniently didn't reply and switched to the the subject of taxes,
On taxes:
California is the most heavily taxed area in the USA where $4.00 per gallon of gas is normal. Just because you pay more taxes doesn't mean you are earning more, You simply live in a smaller house and can't afford a private aircraft.

For your education:
Note that Texas has NO property tax so that makes people richer.

Dallas and Fort Worth, as part of the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex, significantly contribute to the $338 billion two-year Texas state budget, primarily through state sales taxes and economic activity, rather than direct city-to-state payments
. The state relies on sales tax for 60% of its revenue, which DFW residents and businesses contribute to heavily.

• Tax Contributions: Texas has no state property tax; therefore, property taxes in Dallas and Fort Worth are collected by local entities, not the state. However, the booming DFW economy contributes substantially to state sales tax revenue, which is projected to generate nearly $94 billion over two years.
• Economic Impact: The DFW region benefits from, and contributes to, a $338 billion state budget (for 2026-27), which includes $62 billion in state funding for business growth across the area.
• Local Rates: For the 2025-26 fiscal year, Dallas approved a $5.5 billion budget with a tax rate of 69.88 cents per $100 valuation. Fort Worth approved a budget with a 67-cent tax rate.
• Revenue Source: State sales tax is the primary driver of the state budget.

While specific, isolated dollar amounts of total taxes paid by Dallas and Fort Worth to the state are not typically reported as a single, combined figure, the economic output of these cities represents a massive portion of the state's total sales tax revenue

https://www.texaspolicyresearch.com/texas-revenue-report-confirms-record-spending-and-slower-growth/#:~:text=Most%20of%20the%20state's%20money,percent%20of%20all%20tax%20revenue.

 

[nahtanbob]

I was countering your point that Palo Alto has more aircraft, to which you conveniently didn't reply and switched to the the subject of taxes,

Palo Alto has 67,000 people. Dallas-Fort Worth has 8.5 million. Aren't we being disingenious?

On taxes:

California is the most heavily taxed area in the USA where $4.00 per gallon of gas is normal. Just because you pay more taxes doesn't mean you are earning more, You simply live in a smaller house and can't afford a private aircraft.

Texas approves $338 billion budget

Texas Legislature approves $338 billion state budget

A boost in public school spending, school vouchers, and money for water systems are other highlights of the state budget, which was bolstered by a $24 billion surplus.

www.texastribune.org

California budget $321 billion

Subject to Change: An Analysis of California’s Finalized 2025-26 State Budget | First 5 Los Angeles

www.first5la.org

For your education:
Note that Texas has NO property tax so that makes people richer.

Dallas and Fort Worth, as part of the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex, significantly contribute to the $338 billion two-year Texas state budget, primarily through state sales taxes and economic activity, rather than direct city-to-state payments
. The state relies on sales tax for 60% of its revenue, which DFW residents and businesses contribute to heavily.

Exact numbers - correlate with the population

• Tax Contributions: Texas has no state property tax; therefore, property taxes in Dallas and Fort Worth are collected by local entities, not the state. However, the booming DFW economy contributes substantially to state sales tax revenue, which is projected to generate nearly $94 billion over two years.
• Economic Impact: The DFW region benefits from, and contributes to, a $338 billion state budget (for 2026-27), which includes $62 billion in state funding for business growth across the area.
• Local Rates: For the 2025-26 fiscal year, Dallas approved a $5.5 billion budget with a tax rate of 69.88 cents per $100 valuation. Fort Worth approved a budget with a 67-cent tax rate.
• Revenue Source: State sales tax is the primary driver of the state budget.

While specific, isolated dollar amounts of total taxes paid by Dallas and Fort Worth to the state are not typically reported as a single, combined figure, the economic output of these cities represents a massive portion of the state's total sales tax revenue

https://www.texaspolicyresearch.com/texas-revenue-report-confirms-record-spending-and-slower-growth/#:~:text=Most%20of%20the%20state's%20money,percent%20of%20all%20tax%20revenue.

 

[nahtanbob]

This is just for Dallas, we are not even counting Seattle

You realize Microsoft and Amazon are in Seattle

 

[Baibers_1260]

Palo Alto has 67,000 people. Dallas-Fort Worth has 8.5 million. Aren't we being disingenious?

EDIT: Silicon Valley pays $130 billion in taxes for the California State Budget. I will let you figure out how much income you need to make to pay $130 billion in taxes. This is population of less than 9 million

You said Silicon Valley not Palo Alto. Not being "disingenuous " but afflicted with selective amnesia.

Silicon Valley, covering the Santa Clara Valley and surrounding areas, has a population of
approximately 3.million people, with recent estimates showing a decrease from around 3.07 million. While the region remains a major tech hub, it has experienced net population declines due to high living costs and migration, with a 2024 workforce of 1.7 million.
Key demographic and population trends include:

• Population Decline: The region saw a net population decline over recent years, with over 32,000 residents leaving in 2021.
• Population Drivers: Growth is heavily influenced by high international immigration, which recently hit its lowest level since 1991.
• Demographics:
  The area is characterized by a significant gap between high-income tech earners and lower-wage workers
  .
  • Density: The region covers roughly 1,854 square miles across 39 cities in four different Bay Area counties.

Despite some declines in the early 2020s, the area remains one of the most densely populated regions in the United States
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So correlate $130 billion to 3 million Silicon Valley residents .
Correlate approximately 75% of 338 million to 9 million Dallas FW residents.
Write a C++ program to solve that puzzle.

Exact numbers - correlate with the population

Exact numbers: Correlate California's. population 40 million with revenue with Texas population 31 million and revenue

California remains the most populous U.S. state, with around 39-40 million people, while Texas is a solid second with over 31 million, but Texas is experiencing much faster growth due to lower costs, job opportunities, and significant migration from California, leading to projections that Texas could surpass California in population by mid-century.

For your education:

Texas to become biggest state by 2045 as center of gravity shifts south

The population of the Lone Star State increased by nearly four million people between 2013 and 2023.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Baibers_1260]

Was talking about Dallas and Fort Worth as compared to Silicon Valley, not Seattle.
Where did I mention Microsoft and Amazon. You mentioned that along with Google.

You realize Microsoft and Amazon are in Seattle

Comparing population density:
The Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) Metroplex covers approximately
9,286 square miles. This massive, 12-county region is larger in land area than the states of Rhode Island and Connecticut combined.
DFW's population density varies greatly: the vast Metroplex region averages under 800 people/sq mi but has dense centers, with Dallas city around 3,900+/sq mi and Dallas County at ~3,000+/sq mi, while surrounding counties like Ellis or Johnson are much lower, showing a pattern of growth spreading outward from core cities into less dense suburbs. The overall Metroplex population is over 8 million, making it one of the nation's fastest-growing large metro areas, with significant growth in counties like Collin and Denton.
Silicon Valley, located in the southern San Francisco Bay Area of California, covers an area of approximately 1,854 square miles. Silicon Valley, primarily encompassing Santa Clara County and parts of surrounding areas in the San Francisco Bay Area, features varied population density, with key cities like San Jose having a density of approximately 5,685 people per square mile.
. Other areas, such as Santa Clara, show higher densities around 7,071 people per square mile.

Standing room only in Silicon Valley .

 

[nahtanbob]

Check the Fortune 500 list and also check the oil and gas sector.Aerospace space and off road engineers have stock options and grants as well. We were talking about lifestyle and spending power, How many keyboard coolies fly their own planes ?

Put the market cap of top oil companies next to top tech companies

 

[nahtanbob]

You said Silicon Valley not Palo Alto. Not being "disingenuous " but afflicted with selective amnesia.

Selecting comparing private fleet of entire Dallas Fort Worth area with one Silicon Valley airport.

 

[nahtanbob]

Was talking about Dallas and Fort Worth as compared to Silicon Valley, not Seattle.
Where did I mention Microsoft and Amazon. You mentioned that along with Google.

Your quote on Seattle

This is just for Dallas, we are not even counting Seattle, Wichita KS, Charleston SC, other major aerospace hubs driven by manufacturing giants like Boeing and Lockheed Martin ,