Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

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But people on here say US is the one collapsing and dollar is worthless.

Iranian govt made a huge mistake keeping Iran's economy and money so pegged to usd- i strongly feel Iran has missed big opportunities (which have created huge risks and problems for Iran)by pegging its currency and economic structure to the Yuan.

 

[kastor ville]

The problem is that it is offering Iran no relief from US sanctions. So, it changes nothing for Iran or the Iranians. The number 1 threat for Iran at this point is economic collapse. One month ago when protests started in the bazaar of Tehran, 1 USD was about 140K IRT. Now it is about 165K IRT and is expected to hit 200K IRT before June. Our economy is on the verge of collapse.

They're basically pulling an Iraq on us and the Islamic Republic is moving in the exact same direction that Saddam did and acting exactly as they predicted. They have destroyed our economy, targeted us with years of propaganda, and have isolated us internationally and the Islamic Republic has done everything they predicted they would do.

The Islamic Republic has acted like Saddam in recent years. Killing and murdering more civilians after each protest while accumulating wealth in their own circles through nepotism, instead of going for major and fundamental reforms. The Islamic Republic has taken millions of Iranians in their 20s, 30s and 40s hostage with their isolationist foreign policies and disconnection from the world.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. If the regime of Ayatollahs is going through the exact same path as Saddam's Iraq, then it most likely will have the same fate.

I think you may be mistaken.....a nuclear deal will be hinged upon removing the sanctions. Remember, how many times Trump said we can help make Iran great again?
I absolutely think the deal will have some sort of sanctions relief for the sale of oil and some banking relief. It has to....otherwise fk it.

 

[kastor ville]

There are 2 main camps in Iran.

1. The resistance camp led by Khamenei that believes its their duty to fight the west and liberate Muslims.

2. The US and China camp that does not believe in fighting the west.

I believe there is an internal power struggle in Iran. The US/China camp had Soleimani killed, Raisi killed, and the revolutionary generals killed during the 12 day war. I also believe they leaked IRGC positions in Syria to Israel and Nasrallahs position as well.

The goals is to shed all proxies and vassalise us into China.

That's fantasy....we have the same type of talk in the US about Epstein, deep state, Qanon....etc.
None of it is true, except the compromat pedo ring that Epstein ran.

 

[kastor ville]

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Now we didn’t need to end up in this situation. But from 1979 we took on a policy of mass antagonizing the U.S. The times were different, Soviet Union existed. China was a revolutionary state.

Then the entire world began to pivot to the West Russia and China included.

Instead Iran did bombing attacks, hostage taking, and support for groups to fight Israel or U.S. wherever they may be. It was very short sighted. But the time Khatami era rolled around and we decided to begin thawing relations it was too late, the Neocons hated us. Bibi had come into power in Israel and was telling everyone how much a problem Iran and Iraq were.

People forget that Reagan and Iran (led by Rouhani) attempted to repair the relationship after his election and keep Iran and U.S. relations in tact, but the religious revolutionary crowd was so short sighted they burned that bridge.

Iran now needs to rebuild and rearm. In 25-50 years maybe it can be independent and economically stable enough to decide to hate the whole world again, but for now it needs to realize its cornered due to its own actions.

And they're still missing the boat to this day....mistake, after mistake.

 

[ShapurII]

I think you may be mistaken.....a nuclear deal will be hinged upon removing the sanctions. Remember, how many times Trump said we can help make Iran great again?
I absolutely think the deal will have some sort of sanctions relief for the sale of oil and some banking relief. It has to....otherwise fk it.

I thought we were discussing the framework proposed by Qatar, Turkey and regional countries, leaked by Al Jazeera. There is no mention of sanctions relief in that. Only a non-aggression agreement with no real guarantee to be respected.

Anyway, I think the US will most likely attack Iran soon, probably before March. I truly hope it would never happen, as the US has scary fire power that can wreak havoc on our cities, but everything seems to suggest that either Khamenei has to step down and a new chapter has to start in Iran, or war is inevitable.

 

[SolarWarden]

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Doesn’t seem like Friday is going to be negotiations, but terms of surrender. If Iran doesn’t accept then the military action will begin maybe as soon as that weekend.

Or maybe there is a breakthru tomm.

This could also be a negotiation tactic making it look like it's on the cusp when in reality we're weeks away until all assets arrive.

 

[ShapurII]

You know what would be hilarious?
If the US kidnaps Araghchi and his diplomats in Oman and doesn't let them return to Iran lol

 

[kastor ville]

I thought we were discussing the framework proposed by Qatar, Turkey and regional countries, leaked by Al Jazeera. There is no mention of sanctions relief in that. Only a non-aggression agreement with no real guarantee to be respected.

Anyway, I think the US will most likely attack Iran soon, probably before March. I truly hope it would never happen, as the US has scary fire power that can wreak havoc on our cities, but everything seems to suggest that either Khamenei has to step down and a new chapter has to start in Iran, or war is inevitable.

Well, he's doing his absolute best to make us think he will attack Iran.......however, the stock market has been tanking, we've never had a president so scared of the market like this guy. If he attacks Iran, oil will shoot up, and the fire will be self feeding inferno....the economy will definitely tank. I seriously doubt he will attack at this point....no surprise this time. Let's look at the build up of military force.......there is so much of it, I can only conclude a greenhorn like Hegseth decided he would send as much force as he possibly could to show Trump what a great bootlicker he is.......and that he's ready for any scenario. Again, I doubt there is an actual plan that is progressing. I think the amateur Def Sec is just covering his bases in case the shit does hit the fan.

 

[kastor ville]

This could also be a negotiation tactic making it look like it's on the cusp when in reality we're weeks away until all assets arrive.

This x 1000
Actually it's not even about assets.....he's just saber rattling.

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[ShapurII]

Well, he's doing his absolute best to make us think he will attack Iran.......however, the stock market has been tanking, we've never had a president so scared of the market like this guy. If he attacks Iran, oil will shoot up, and the fire will be self feeding inferno....the economy will definitely tank. I seriously doubt he will attack at this point....no surprise this time. Let's look at the build up of military force.......there is so much of it, I can only conclude a greenhorn like Hegseth decided he would send as much force as he possibly could to show Trump what a great bootlicker he is.......and that he's ready for any scenario. Again, I doubt there is an actual plan that is progressing. I think the amateur Def Sec is just covering his bases in case the shit does hit the fan.

But oil prices didn't shoot up last time, did it? It went up by 2 dollars and it lasted only for 48 hours. Iran is not an important player in global economy anymore.

I think Trump is serious and he loves surprising the world. Who could've believed that he would go after Gen. Soleimani on a visit in Iraq? Who could've believed that he would kidnap Maduro and his wife? Last time he threatened that they would take out Iran's nuclear program after his ultimatum ends and that's exactly what happened after his ultimatum ended.

 

[kastor ville]

But oil prices didn't shoot up last time, did it? It went up by 2 dollars and it lasted only for 48 hours. Iran is not an important player in global economy anymore.

I think Trump is serious and he loves surprising the world. Who could've believed that he would go after Gen. Soleimani on a visit in Iraq? Who could've believed that he would kidnap Maduro and his wife? Last time he threatened that they would take out Iran's nuclear program after his ultimatum ends and that's exactly what happened after his ultimatum ended.

Are you talking about the 1980s?
In any case, there is different game afoot this time. I actually heard Marandi repeat some of my points in here about closing the Hormuz not being enough, we have to hit gas terminals, and oil refineries....not only that, but also a few missiles on the over land portion of the backup pipeline.
I understand I'm hinging all of this on an assumption that Iran has a plan and the capability to do this. If they don't then you're right oil will spike 5 bucks or so...and this may be smoothed over by news releases out of SA that they will increase production.
I want to think the reality of the situation is the former scenario.

PS: Think about this, if they come for an all out war to teach us a lesson, they will hit our refineries, they will most likely hit economic centers.....just like you said earlier, they may use the Iraq playbook...noting was spared in that war.
So if that's the case......we should set the entire energy hub on fire....and watch the glowing horizon in the night, because they mean to destroy us.

 

[ShapurII]

Are you talking about the 1980s?
In any case, there is different game afoot this time. I actually heard Marandi repeat some of my points in here about closing the Hormuz not being enough, we have to hit gas terminals, and oil refineries....not only that, but also a few missiles on the over land portion of the backup pipeline.
I understand I hinging all of this on an assumption that Iran has a plan and the capability to do this. If they don't then you're right oil will spike 5 bucks or so...and this may be smoothed over by news releases out of SA that they will increase production.
I want to think the reality of the situation is the former scenario.

No, I'm talking about the 12-day war. After Israel attacked Iran, oil prices went up for about $2 and went down again after 48 hours.

I honestly think that the idea of closing the Strait of Hormuz or hitting the energy infrastructure of neighboring countries is nonsense. The Islamic Republic is corrupt to the core and all their family members live abroad. They would never do that because there's just too much collateral (i.e. their families). Also, they would never upset China like that. These plans are like those foolish dreams of destroying Haifa and Tel Aviv.

 

[hasssanali8998]

The Islamic Republic is corrupt to the core and all their family members live abroad.

they might change their mind if they sense they are not getting out of this alive

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

- "We will not leave ballistic missiles in Iran's hands.

Ballistic missiles are an existential threat no less than the Iranian nuclear program, and we understand the pressures from Arab parties in the region.

It's possible, as in the Twelve-Day War or in other cases, that Israel will take the first steps to war," - Yaakov Bardugo of Israeli Channel 14.

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[Navid09]

No, I'm talking about the 12-day war. After Israel attacked Iran, oil prices went up for about $2 and went down again after 48 hours.

I honestly think that the idea of closing the Strait of Hormuz or hitting the energy infrastructure of neighboring countries is nonsense. The Islamic Republic is corrupt to the core and all their family members live abroad. They would never do that because there's just too much collateral (i.e. their families). Also, they would never upset China like that. These plans are like those foolish dreams of destroying Haifa and Tel Aviv.

Name "all" of there family members that live abroad