SMASH SLBM Testing - Nov 2025

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No both SMASH and Fatah-2 are far larger than CM400AKG. The closest Chinese equivalent I could find is the M20 missile series.
I personally think SMASH, being a 7.5m/600mm biconic design, is very similar to the YJ-20 but without the large booster motor. I think it's Mach 5 capable and range is well in excess of 400km.
 
Better suited to at best launching 30km ranged systems or simply running up to and ramming something. Better suited for that.

Yes, 100% agreement over USVs being used as Kamikaze Vehicles (Ingenuine Guided Missile) and/or as a platform to deploy old tech unguided munition or even massively produced guided munitions (e.g. ATGMs).

I see no reason why to put a long range large system on a smaller vessel with inherent stability issues due to their size.

One of the earliest challenges Pakistan faced when thinking of a triad was how to create a stabilized platform for launching systems like the Ghauri or Shaheen off its ships(funny story on how typical attempts at obfuscation got them insulted by a foreign expert they were consulting with on this).

The same will apply to smash - think a more stable frigate versus a small usv.

Yes, the stability of these platforms has been and still is a design challenge which makes such unmanned platforms unfeasible for now. However, even if steel man the idea with an assumption that the design is perfect and also discount any modern upcoming counter-measures (Jamming, EMP Suicide Drones, Directed Microwave Weapons) - the idea still runs into operational challenges that I mentioned earlier.

Members mentioned "Redundancy of Systems" but that only applies to Aeriel Vehicles and Underwater Vehicles and not to Surface Vehicles. Any delivery platform design has to take into account multiple operational variables, of which, Resistance to Attrition is a significant variable, and that alone either justifies or doesn't the practicality of a design e.g.

For aeriel vehicles as delivery systems, an additional role for the machine is to also act as a medium to keep the human alive. Whereas the human doesn't add value to the resistance of attrition. For example, despite any systems redundancy, an aeriel vehicle still has a single point of failure per Physics i.e. disruption to it's flight - which can happen due E/M malfunction, environment such as a bird strike, and conventional counter-measures such as a missile strike. In any of those cases, the human pilot can not climb out of the cockpit and fix the problem - even in minor cases e.g. a missile strike lightly damaging the wing is enough for the aircraft to lose flight. Hence, taking the human out of the machine to pilot it remotely makes perfect operational sense because the resistance to attrition value of the vehicle remains the same while the production cost is greatly reduced - meaning losses can recovered more frequently.

For surface vehicles as delivery systems, it is the human's role to keep the machine operational - which adds to the value of resistance to attrition. Even though, per Physics, for surface vehicles (water) there is again a single point of failure i.e. disruption to buoyancy - it is not effected by the E/M systems (so any such technical fault can be fixed by a human on board to keep the machine operational - and the human fix is available for environment and counter-measures variables as well e.g. a missile strike causing a hull breach can be repaired by the human (depending on the damage) and the machine can stay operational. Hence, taking a sailor out of the ship reduces the resistance to attrition of the system. So even if all forms of design and production challenges are perfected - a human still adds value to the system in comparison to an aeriel vehicle where they don't.

Now, for underwater vehicles. The human machine relation is more mutual than other form of vehicles. Both work to keep the other (alive). However, compared to surface vehicles the human added value is reduced. For example, sub-marines are compartmentalized and if there's a breach in a section, then depending on the section it can be closed up and machine can be kept operational - and depending on the section a human can repair the breach but there aren't many sections which can be repaired. Hence, in case of underwater vehicles taking the human out of the machine still makes a lot of operational sense as the value lost in this case can be recovered via the reduction in production cost and more UUVs can be built which balances the resistance to attrition (albeit using a different route).

So until and unless, robotics are improved to a point where the AI Robots (drones and human like) can independently employ Microcapsule Composites and/or Polymer Networks - larger USVs and UUVs that can deploy top tier missiles remains inaccessible - and even in that case we have just replaced the human with a machine but the "damage control" role doesn't change.
 
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For those indians and some Pakistanis who think SMASH test was either fake or it is a sub sonic missile.
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Why call this missile SMASH? Aren’t all ballistic missiles supersonic or hypersonic?
 
Why call this missile SMASH? Aren’t all ballistic missiles supersonic or hypersonic?
That's a loaded statement. It depends on:
1. The phase
2. The size/range

For example an SRBM might hit Mach 5 at some point but be terminally only Mach 1.5.
An ICBM will hit Mach 20 at some point but terminally be Mach 8.

So you need a trajectory simulation to really answer that question. Lucky for us, I did do that (with a LOT of assumptions so take this with a grain of salt but there is some crazy coincidental agreement with test footage so maybe the assumptions aren't too far off). I got a trajectory with a 3.4 terminal Mach. This could either be GIDS playing it fast and loose with "hypersonic" by actually referring to speed during flight and not terminal, or my assumptions being wrong and it has terminal hypersonic speed, or they're straight up lying.


So I did this a while back when had dimensions and specifications from the Bunyan-al-Marsoos event. Take this with a pinch of salt - I used a ballistic simulator that I made with all the numbers I could get and then assumed some ballistic coefficient and burn time numbers that agreed with tests that we saw. I am basically assuming F2=SMASH. I have faith in this but you don't have to.


Ok so pure ballistic launches - no maneuvering. I swept through various launch angles. Three vertical red lines where first line corresponds to impact mach of 1.3 - like in the video we saw (first or second test) and the remaining two are 400 km range solutions both of which are >2 impact Mach
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Also measured the impact angle on the F2 test...42 deg
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Notice the impact angle on my plot 38 deg maybe? for the first 1.3 Mach impact
so very likely they tested F2 at 250 km range, but it validates all of the aero and controls.
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It is capable of M>2 at two trajectories:
274 seconds. The second vertical line in the previous plot. Depressed trajectory I guess. Doesn't even go to space (above 100 km)
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448 seconds. The third vertical line in the previous plot. Lofted trajectory. Goes to space. Comes back at a steeper angle and higher speed
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The main point of all this is to show that you can do this test:
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and this will essentially verify all of your numbers for you. Now you know with some certainty you can use this missile on the 400km trajectories. Obviously, you wouldn't start with the 400km tests because its difficult to get targeting and set up exclusion zones. But you can verify your model, which is what is done.
 
That's a loaded statement. It depends on:
1. The phase
2. The size/range

For example an SRBM might hit Mach 5 at some point but be terminally only Mach 1.5.
An ICBM will hit Mach 20 at some point but terminally be Mach 8.

So you need a trajectory simulation to really answer that question. Lucky for us, I did do that (with a LOT of assumptions so take this with a grain of salt but there is some crazy coincidental agreement with test footage so maybe the assumptions aren't too far off). I got a trajectory with a 3.4 terminal Mach. This could either be GIDS playing it fast and loose with "hypersonic" by actually referring to speed during flight and not terminal, or my assumptions being wrong and it has terminal hypersonic speed, or they're straight up lying.

What makes this missile different from any other generic anti ship ballistic missile? I don’t there’s any difference.
 
What makes this missile different from any other generic anti ship ballistic missile? I don’t there’s any difference.
Name a few Anti ship ballistic missiles in Use around the world Plz
 
What makes this missile different from any other generic anti ship ballistic missile? I don’t there’s any difference.
I don't know the answer to that question. Not sure if being no different from a generic anti-ship ballistic missile is a necessarily bad thing.
 
Name a few Anti ship ballistic missiles in Use around the world Plz
The Khalij-e Fars and other similar Iranian derivatives like the Hormuz-2. Also, china’s DF-21D, even though there’s a substantial range difference between it and the so-called PN SMASH ballistic missile.
 
The Khalij-e Fars and other similar Iranian derivatives like the Hormuz-2. Also, china’s DF-21D, even though there’s a substantial range difference between it and the so-called PN SMASH ballistic missile.
I think SMASH is much closer to Khalij-e-Faris. The optical sensor on that, if it works, is impressive. SMASH has a radar seeker. I'm only guessing that a radar seeker vs an optical seeker points to a higher terminal speed - but this could just be hopium.

DF-21 is a whole different beast with an entirely different employment and targeting concept.
 
I think SMASH is much closer to Khalij-e-Faris. The optical sensor on that, if it works, is impressive. SMASH has a radar seeker. I'm only guessing that a radar seeker vs an optical seeker points to a higher terminal speed - but this could just be hopium.

DF-21 is a whole different beast with an entirely different employment and targeting concept.

I think the major problem with these missiles that follow a predictable trajectory is that 9/10 times they will be neutralized by a modern anti BMD systems. Might be useful for saturation attacks to exhaust enemy air defenses but if you don’t have other secrets for the enemy, you end up where Iran was in the 12-day war against Israel.
 

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