JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Never reached full potential of 24 Units per year
Should have attained 240-250 Count in 2018

Original target was 150.

Block	Plan	Acquired
Block-1	50	50
Block-2	50	59 + 26
Block-3	50 (replan 30)	23

If we didn't go for the 26 Block-2 twin seaters, we would've had a nice round figure of 50 Block-3s by 2023.

My theory.
Block-1 - All 50 acquired.
Block-2 - All 50 acquired, but requirement for dual seaters became a necessary which delayed/changed the acquisition of Block-3.

Block-2 - Additional 9 acquired (to avoid halting production) along with 26 dual seaters. That's a total of 35 additional block-2 JF-17 Thunders.

Total Block-1/2: 50 + 50 + 9 + 26 = 135.

To reach the original target of 150, only 15 more Block-3 are required. However, 5 from Block-1/2 have also crashed. So requirement for Block-3 has increased to 20.

It is announced (or just reported) that 30 Block-3s will be produced even though only 20 are required.

Block-3 - A total of 23 acquired. Meeting the original target of 150, and exceeding this by another 3 aircraft. The planned 30 target is cancelled/halted.

PAF Target: 150
Produced for PAF: 158
PAF Losses: 5
Total with PAF: 153

Prior to reaching the target of 150 by 2023, PAF may have been debating retiring some older Block-1s and replacing them with new Block-3s, however, Block-1s are receiving MLU instead.

So, any new Block-3s produced in 2024-2025 can be exported to other countries as PAF has not announced expanding its JF-17 Thunder fleet.

My conclusion is that, Block-2 dual seaters were the spanner in the plans which increased the production of Block-2s by 35 aircraft reducing the number of Block-3s being required.

The legacy fighters (Mirages/F-7s) will probably be replaced with J-10s / J-35s (maybe even further F-16s).

 

[mythbuster]

Mirages aren’t primary nuclear platforms anymore. Since 2011 i believe jf-17s have taken over and there are 2 squadrons of them (can’t remember number of the top my head) that carry primary nuclear strike missions for PAF

Don't know why I can't get the picture of jf 17 and nukes together in my mind , it kinda feels spooky , it doesn't gel .

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

To be honest I made this list after bravos were built maybe 2020 and kept it as a record I just updated it now with block 3 so that time I did not include the exports

Yes True also Nigeria got 3 units when was that ?

Also Azerbaijan got a delivery few months ago so production must have picked up now

Production numbers 3P-60, 3P-61 and 3P-62 all went to Nigeria (which also means PAF acquired 59 alphas from the second block).

The Nigerians numbered them as NAF-20, NAF-21 and NAF-22.

Now here's the mystery to me.

SP-59 became 19-259 and SP-65B became 19-265.

So you would think SP-60, SP-61 and SP-62 would also fall under 2019. However, these 3 were delivered to Nigeria in May 2021.

So, I am unsure which year they fall under. It could be 2019, 2020 or 2021.

 

[Dreamer]

Ramped up since 2023-24. More orders likely booked but not yet disclosed. 13 negotiating 5 have almost finalised 2 orders already secured after AZ order. Things are speeding up fast

Let me understand this correctly.......Are you saying that 2 more countries have made firm orders AFTER Azerbaijan...but its being kept confidential??

Or are you saying that 2 countries including Azerbaijan have made orders, meaning Nigeria and Azerbaijan (why not count Myanmar then) ...??

 

[hasssanali8998]

Indonesia opts for M346 light fighters from Leonardo after the Rafale deal. Pakistan's JF-17 exports remain a pipe dream!

Leonardo, PT ESystem Solutions and the Ministry of Defence Of the Republic of Indonesia sign M-346 F AIRCRAFT Letter of Intent to meet Indonesian Air Force training and combat requirements

www.leonardo.com

u seriously comparing a LIFT platform to jf17 ??

 

[ziaulislam]

I was going to give the same explanation, but you summarized it well. No non‑Muslim state would attack Saudi Arabia unless all other Muslim states, along with their populations, were dealt with first.

Absolutely bullshit
Medina and mecca were underseige by brits and Muslims soldiers from India were doing it lolol
Read how turks were dealth with by Brits using arabs and indian Muslims

How do you think Jeurusuelam was taken
Medina didn't had value back then as the brits were atheists if it had value they would have taken it and Muslims would have stayed in line

You guys need to read history

 

[mythbuster]

Absolutely bullshit
Medina and mecca were underseige by brits and Muslims soldiers from India were doing it lolol
Read how turks were dealth with by Brits using arabs and indian Muslims

How do you think Jeurusuelam was taken
Medina didn't had value back then as the brits were atheists if it had value they would have taken it and Muslims would have stayed in line

You guys need to read history

There's one constant in the universe and that's change..... something that happened yesterday will not necessarily happen again today.... evolution of thoughts and morality is an ongoing process.

 

[ziaulislam]

There's one constant in the universe and that's change..... something that happened yesterday will not necessarily happen again today.... evolution of thoughts and morality is an ongoing process.

History always repeats itself
We have seen this for last 1000 years
Muslims have not been unified since the fourth caliphate as it was foretold

 

[mythbuster]

History always repeats itself
We have seen this for last 1000 years
Muslims have not been unified since the fourth caliphate as it was foretold

" History always repeats itself " is one of the most meaningless clichés

 

[ziaulislam]

" History always repeats itself " is one of the most meaningless clichés

Meaningless for those who never read
Meaningful for those who read

 

[ziaulislam]

Whats the final order? 188 or any More being procured

 

[Khansaheeb]

Indonesia opts for M346 light fighters from Leonardo after the Rafale deal. Pakistan's JF-17 exports remain a pipe dream!

Leonardo, PT ESystem Solutions and the Ministry of Defence Of the Republic of Indonesia sign M-346 F AIRCRAFT Letter of Intent to meet Indonesian Air Force training and combat requirements

www.leonardo.com

Many countries vying to buy the JF17, the best value high performance in the world:

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[CSAW]

Wing Commander Syed Sibtain Akhtar
JF-17 Thunder.





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[ThoroughPro]

FAAZ Air to air missile

it can not be and it is not an air to air missile. The quantum of new precision ground strike weaponry being acquired/produced/tested/integrated is at a new level, and most of it will not come out in public. What is being displayed is either old stuff or for sale as a weapons package with Thunders to friendly countries.

 

[ARMalik]

I highly doubt that PAF will release exact info on the number of JF-17s in its inventory. We can all speculate only.